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Firstly,I want to congratulate everyone for being a member of this community and wish you the best of luck in your online ventures.
I am new to this forum,and would appreciate your input on a strategy I will be trying out in about 1 month.I will not ask "how can I become rich" sort of questions,but rather your opinion on the scenario I will be presenting:
I plan on :
*purchasing 100 domains,with URL's representing the keywords I will plan on targeting
*publishing simple,static websites,containing no more that 5 articles(gathered from free article resources websites)/10 pages on the keywords I will be choosing(I will aim at the not so popular ones,due to the fact that I will target a not so crowded market)
*having a section,on each site,with links to my other(let's say 99) websites
Basically,I will be publishing 100 simple websites containing free articles(modified where I consider necessary) on various themes.
Here are my questions:
1)With one google adsense account,can I have the ads displayd on a large number of websites(100)?
2)Do you think that I can earn around 0.1$/day for every site in my first month?If not,then how much do you think I will be earning?
3)Is having links to my other 99 websites on each site in compliance with the adsense TOS(I have read it and it appears ok,but I want to be 100% sure I am proceeding in a legitimate way)?
I am looking forward to your response.
Best regards
publishing simple,static websites,containing no more that 5 articles(gathered from free article resources websites)
First pitfall - lack of unique content, which in turn will not get you anywhere in the SERP's.
Second pitfall - try building sites for viewers, not for easy money!
3rd pitfall - to get these sites seen will probably mean you spending money on AdWords or something similar,so will the payout cover the overheads?
Apart from that, good luck!
I am asking because the search engines used to look at IP addresses too - so if you bought a hosting account, and you put all or most of the 100 web sites on the same IP address(es) or even netblock, will that not look bad for the search engine(s)?
1)With one google adsense account,can I have the ads displayd on a large number of websites(100)?
You can have the adsense code on as many sites as you want there is no limit
2)Do you think that I can earn around 0.1$/day for every site in my first month?If not,then how much do you think I will be earning?
hard to say, this will depend if you get your sites indexed in the search engines for free traffic or you plan on other ways of promoting your network of sites either with adwords, overture or other contextual advertising
3)Is having links to my other 99 websites on each site in compliance with the adsense TOS(I have read it and it appears ok,but I want to be 100% sure I am proceeding in a legitimate way)?
you can do whatever you want with your sites after all they are your sites and you would not be breaking any of the adsense TOS by linking, where you will come unstuck is having them linked together and hosted on the same server or IP number, that's if your expecting to get your sites to rank at a search engine for your chosen keywords, if your going to be spending money to drive traffic to your sites then it would not matter where they are hosted or the cross linking
1 - Yes
2 - what does one use to polish a crystal ball? Mine's a bit dusty!
3 - Sounds like it could be interpreted by Google as a link farm, so be careful.
The danger in adding yet more sites to the web with the same content as everyone else who is playing the same game (Thousands of people) is that without anything unique it doesn't add anything to the web. People will have read the same content on many other websites. Also, it's likely that Google will place a low value on clicks from this type of site.
So you need to add up all of the cost of buying domains and hosting. You also need to factor in what it's going to cost you to promote these sites via adwords. To get good placement you have to outbid every other person using the same syndicated content.
You also need to consider what happens if (or when) Google decides to clamp down on this raft of useless sites that ads nothing to the web, and gives Google a bad name amongst advertisers and end users of it's search products. If they do start clamping down, all that investment will be for nothing.
IMHO, a better strategy would be to find a topic of interest to you, and add something valuable and unique to the web, and promote it. You are likely to earn more with one site with worthwhile content than a hundred of the same syndicated crap as everybody else. It's ultimately going to take up a lot less of your time to make one good site than to knock up hundreds of crap ones that you will have to promote individually. It's also going to be a lot easier to get a good search engine ranking, so you will ultimately pay a lot less (maybe nothing) in adwords once the serps list you, and you get organic traffic with real visitors who are much more likely to actually buy products from relevant ads.
First pitfall - lack of unique content, which in turn will not get you anywhere in the SERP's.Second pitfall - try building sites for viewers, not for easy money!
3rd pitfall - to get these sites seen will probably mean you spending money on AdWords or something similar,so will the payout cover the overheads?
The only advertising I will be doing is placing a link to every site on my other 99(what do you think,will it increase the PR?),having URL that contain the keywords I will be targeting and submitting all sites to major search engines.
I am aiming at low-cost keywords,not popular ones.
I am asking because the search engines used to look at IP addresses too - so if you bought a hosting account, and you put all or most of the 100 web sites on the same IP address(es) or even netblock, will that not look bad for the search engine(s)?
A very good question.Does using the same web host for multipme domains have side-effects with search engines?
The only advertising I will be doing is placing a link to every site on my other 99(what do you think,will it increase the PR?),having URL that contain the keywords I will be targeting and submitting all sites to major search engines.
That's exactly what all the other thousands of people using the same articles have already done. These site's wont make a position in the serps that's going to allow you to break even, let alone make a profit. None of the other sites that already have used the same content have a good serps position - they are all using adwords to promote their sites. The only possible way to make money with sites like this is to play the arbitrage game, and that only works for some.
That's exactly what all the other thousands of people using the same articles have already done. These site's wont make a position in the serps that's going to allow you to break even, let alone make a profit. None of the other sites that already have used the same content have a good serps position - they are all using adwords to promote their sites. The only possible way to make money with sites like this is to play the arbitrage game, and that only works for some.
If I were to publish articles on "weight-loss",or other such popular topics,then yes,the market is over-saturated.But could a site with articles like "how to be a good carpenter"(the first thing that came into my mind)or other far less searched topics get a good listing and earn through adsense(I am not talking hundreds daily,about 1-5$ monthly would be great)
could a site with articles like "how to be a good carpenter"or other far less searched topics get a good listing and earn through adsense
Ultimately the only way to find out is to try it and see by yourself. No one on this forum is a prophet.
could a site with articles like "how to be a good carpenter"(the first thing that came into my mind)or other far less searched topics get a good listing and earn through adsense
Niches do very well. Mine is a niche site, and I do well out of it. You need to have worthwhile content that others want to see first and foremost. That way you will get the best out of adsense.
We aren't trying to be horrid to you by trying to put you off of your original idea. Many people have tried and failed to do it, so the advice is from hard learned experience that maybe will save you a lot of time, effort and money. You seem to be warming to the idea of doing proper sites now ;)
1. Quality.
2. Quality.
3. Quality.
Hit the ball over the fence and you can take your time going around the bases.
Ultimately the only way to find out is to try it and see by yourself. No one on this forum is a prophet
This is precisely why I have started the topic:are there at least decent premises for a 0.1$ income per day,so that an investment for purchasing 100 domains would not be in vain?
Of course,no one can be 100% certain,but I am not looking for fortune tellers,educated opinions are just fine :)
We aren't trying to be horrid to you by trying to put you off of your original idea. Many people have tried and failed to do it, so the advice is from hard learned experience that maybe will save you a lot of time, effort and money. You seem to be warming to the idea of doing proper sites now ;)
Let's expand on the "how to be a good carpenter" site.
Say I register the domain "e-good-carpenter.com".It's catchy enough,and contains two keywords.I browse the www for all articles that I can find.Let's say I find 4 ones,about 500-100 words each.I will publish the site "e-good-carpenter.com",that will contain 6 links(homepage,the 4 articles,plus a page with links to my other 99 sites-would that be considered a link farm,as you have stated?-) Would that particular website have prospects for a good listing/and about 1$-$3 monthly(up to 0.1$ daily adsense earnings)?
What are your opinions,based on personal experience?
[edited by: martinibuster at 7:41 pm (utc) on April 28, 2006]
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Submitting to search engines won't do anything because once they spider the same articles that they have seen on countless sites, search engines won't show them since they will only show the original source of the article (or the one with the highest page ranks).
Your best bet is to make sure you write a few of the articles yourselves. At least that way they will show up in the search engines and give you a shot.
You will still need to have established and related sites linking to you as 99 sites with a PR of nil linking to the 100th site will still be a PR of nada.
In short, without a crystal ball, I doubt you will average $10 a day that way through your network of sites.
Either write content, contract it out, or buy cheap PLR content that you are legally allowed to rewrite.
In the long-run it will be more work than you think but your first step is starting. Trial and error, but always within the Google TOS.
The only advertising I will be doing is placing a link to every site on my other 99(what do you think,will it increase the PR?)
It'll probably get you penalized in Google. But that's a topic for the Google Search News forum.
Let's expand on the "how to be a good carpenter" site.
Say I register the domain "e-good-carpenter.com".It's catchy enough,and contains two keywords.I browse the www for all articles that I can find.Let's say I find 4 ones,about 500-100 words each.I will publish the site "e-good-carpenter.com",that will contain 6 links(homepage,the 4 articles,plus a page with links to my other 99 sites-would that be considered a link farm,as you have stated?-) Would that particular website have prospects for a good listing/and about 1$-$3 monthly(up to 0.1$ daily adsense earnings)?What are your opinions,based on personal experience?
Let's say you just concentrate on the one niche site, and forget the rest of the sites. If this one works you can always add more sites later.
Search for content to inspire you, write some original articles and become knowledgeable on the topic. Participate in newsgroups and online forums on the topic. Use your URL in your signature - that's usually OK with most groups as long as you are posting genuinely to the forum and not just promoting your site. When people ask questions you can answer refer them to the specific page on your website. You gain a *lot* of organic traffic that way.
Add pages to your site based on questions people are asking - it's what they want to know, so provide the info and point to it in conversations.
You can in fact get to be a top rated site in your topic this way provided the content is what people genuinely want. It's the way I got to the top of the serps on my keyword without having to buy traffic, and my wife no longer works thanks to the site's income. I only have the one big adsense earner. I have some other sites, but they are just tinkering around sites, and nothing serious. So putting the time and effort you would spend in developing hundreds of junk sites into making a worthwhile one does work - that's been my personal experience.
Basically,I will be publishing 100 simple websites containing free articles(modified where I consider necessary) on various themes.
Modifying free articles as neccessary is surely a quick way to build original content, yet I would first research the terms and conditions of the article's publisher.
Have a great day :)
[edited by: jatar_k at 9:22 pm (utc) on July 24, 2006]
It's interesting that you bring up 'good-carpenter' as an example since my primary site is about balsa-wood :)
Focus on quality and google/advertisers will reward you. Again, as others have said, you will need to drive traffic to your site initially. I spend a few dollars every day and many hours (with content) just on one site.
Paul.
1)Would purchasing 100 domain names increase the site's earning potential significantly,in other words,would a site called "e-good-carpenter.com" do much better in terms of search engine rankings than a site(with the exact same content) called "www.mydomain.com/good-carpenter"
Is it worth it to purchase 100 domains,does it produce better results than just buying one and creating subdomains or separate sections for the 100 sites?Do 100 sites like "category1.com"/"category2.com"/.../"category 100.com" appeal more to search engines that 100 websites,with the same content,called "www.mydomain.com/category1"/.../"www.mydomain.com/category100" or "www.category1.mydomain.com"/.../"www.category100.mydomain.com"
2)If you take a free article and modify it,let's say 20%,would it still be considered "duplicate content" by search engines?How does a search engine determine wheather a site is "duplicate content" or not?
Do not create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content.from the "Program policies.
Just get ONE catchy domain name, concentrate on making it a quality site, and promoting it. Have 100 domains with the same content and your next thread will start with "I've been banned from Adsense for no reason".
Point 2 - I don't think anyone can answer that one with any certainty, and probably varies by search engine. from the point of view of site promotion you might get a better response to this from one of the WW seo forums, but from the Adsense point of view, it really depends on what they define as being "Substantially duplicate".
Your comments about PR suggest you believe PR is important and, possibly, that it's crucial for SERPs ranking. Also, you don't seem to know how PR is alloted. Secondly, you do not recognise the principles Google and Adsense work on. They've consistently been trying to improve the program. Personally, I think they take too long to remove scrapers/MFA etc. but, in the long run, they likely will. And the sites you intend to create aren't sites they're likely to want. They've changed TOS a million times so far. The next change could ban networks like yours... and you would have wasted a lot of time.
That said, there are still ways to make money with your network of most unoriginal content. Buying traffic has already been suggested. It can also get your Adsense account banned if you buy from the wrong places. If you are sufficiently experienced you'd know what to do, what not to do, where to buy traffic, how to do Adsense arbitrage and make a profit from your network. Each of those is a specialist area in itself and you need to read, read, read.
Then, also, do some extensive reading on the domain business, parking, Adsense on parked domains, type-in values, misspellings etc i.e. do a lot more reading before you start your planning. But I'd shelve your plans till you've done that.
Just get ONE catchy domain name, concentrate on making it a quality site, and promoting it. Have 100 domains with the same content and your next thread will start with "I've been banned from Adsense for no reason
The 100 domains will be about totally different topics.
I am not talking about 100 domains on the same topic like "e-good-carpenter.com"/"carpenters.com"/"thecarpenter.com",but about 100 totally different websites,like "e-good-carpenter.com"/"massage-techniques.com"/"computer-guide.com",etc
My question was:from a SE perspective,is it better to have 100 domains like "e-good-carpenter.com"/"massage-techniques.com"/"computer-guide.com"...,or would registering one domain and creating 100 sub-domains or sections be enough ("e-good-carpenter.about-stuff.com"/"massage-techniques.about-stuff.com"/"computer-guide.about-stuff.com" etc. or "about-stuff.com/e-good-carpenter"/"about-stuff.com/massage-techniques"/"about-stuff.com/computer-guide" etc.)?
Would purchasing the 100 domains be worth it?
My question was:from a SE perspective
Then why not research it in one of the search-engine forums, where you're more likely to find or get the right answers?
Would purchasing the 100 domains be worth it?
If you have a couple 1,000 dollars spare and a few months of your time spare then yes it could be worth it but in reality the days of doing what your trying to achieve are over, or at least with google they are.
you need unique content on your pages not regurgitated text from other sites as your talking about getting free articles and changing the text 20%, what part are you going to change 20%, unless you know what you are doing you will come unstuck because google have gotten very wise to the duplicate content issues and are removing sites left right and centre for spamming the index, what I am getting at is you need to write your own articles to survive "Long Term"
now that said if you have the spare cash to blow and are still keen on taking a chance then yes you might last a few months or weeks or even days until your sites are removed from googles index and by having them crossed linked google will remove your entire network
but hey don't take my word for it have a go and see what happens, just so you know what it looks like when your site has been removed you will see this when searching for your domain name
Sorry, no information is available for the URL www.your-removed-domain-name.com
One question I have got for you is:-
why are you asking about 100 domain, why not 200, 500 or a 1000 or why not just start with one and move on from there and see what happens
For some reason, Google considers those businesses based on web publishing itself a bit unethical and favors sites coming from non-web developing sources.
One question I have got for you is:-
why are you asking about 100 domain, why not 200, 500 or a 1000 or why not just start with one and move on from there and see what happens
Well,mainly because I have made some calculations and consider 100 domains a good start(aside from that,I also have a good offer for purchasing 100 domains in bulk).
The reason I have posted this thread is quite simple:I do not want to spend 1 dime before I am convinced that there are premises for genrating income.
That leads us to my main question: do you think that purchasing 100 domains,publishing 100 sites on different topics containing free articles that i modify,rephrase sentences,etc.(I am intrigued on how google could link an article with rephrased sentences/modified words to the original one,that can be found free on the internet,and consider the modified one "duplicate content") are good enough premises in order to generate about 0.1$ daily/site in the first month?
