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Firstly,I want to congratulate everyone for being a member of this community and wish you the best of luck in your online ventures.
I am new to this forum,and would appreciate your input on a strategy I will be trying out in about 1 month.I will not ask "how can I become rich" sort of questions,but rather your opinion on the scenario I will be presenting:
I plan on :
*purchasing 100 domains,with URL's representing the keywords I will plan on targeting
*publishing simple,static websites,containing no more that 5 articles(gathered from free article resources websites)/10 pages on the keywords I will be choosing(I will aim at the not so popular ones,due to the fact that I will target a not so crowded market)
*having a section,on each site,with links to my other(let's say 99) websites
Basically,I will be publishing 100 simple websites containing free articles(modified where I consider necessary) on various themes.
Here are my questions:
1)With one google adsense account,can I have the ads displayd on a large number of websites(100)?
2)Do you think that I can earn around 0.1$/day for every site in my first month?If not,then how much do you think I will be earning?
3)Is having links to my other 99 websites on each site in compliance with the adsense TOS(I have read it and it appears ok,but I want to be 100% sure I am proceeding in a legitimate way)?
I am looking forward to your response.
Best regards
I am intrigued on how google could link an article with rephrased sentences/modified words to the original one,that can be found free on the internet,and consider the modified one "duplicate content"
well dont loose too much sleep worrying about that because its true and happens
to generate about 0.1$ daily/site in the first month
hey David don't hold back speak your mind ;)
well dont loose too much sleep worrying about that because its true and happens
I take a free article.I rephrase the sentences/remove the paragraphs I am not pleased with,even,after understanding the article,add content(another introduction/ending) of my own(of course,I don't have the expertise to publish quality articles on 100 different topics,that is why I will take the free articles I will find,understand and modify them).
Do you know for a fact that google can actually determine that the modified article,with rephrased sentences,even a new introduction/ending has a free article as a "foundation"?Are they actually that technically advanced?I,for one,find it quite hard to digest.But,who knows,that is what I am here for,to find out new things.
you started off with a 20% change but now its nearly a total rewrite of the page, of course googlebot could not see this as duplicate content and like humblebeginnings says you might as well write the article yourself from scratch if your going to all this trouble to change the existing article, at least then it would be unique to your site
From the pure technical perspective I do not see why it would not work, presuming you have it on unique netblocks (I am still searching to find the truth about this).
Clearly on WebmasterWorld you will get a lot of "concentrate on one site", "work on content", "get your own", "you are stealing copyrighted material", "MFA is the devil", "work hard and you will succeed" and so on. I agree with most.
Despite my ethics stoping me from doing what you are planning to do - the reality is it will most likely work, and will be successful.
As others have said - if you can keep Google's eyes away from you, you are gold.
you started off with a 20% change but now its nearly a total rewrite of the page, of course googlebot could not see this as duplicate content and like humblebeginnings says you might as well write the article yourself from scratch if your going to all this trouble to change the existing article, at least then it would be unique to your site
As I said,the 100 sites will be about totally different topics.
How could I possibly write quality articles on 100 different topics?I can impossibly be an expert in 100 fields.
That is why I choose this approach.I take a free article(written by a person with knowledge on that issue,to whom that topic is a hobby at least,or even a profession),underdstand it,modify it where necessary and then publish "my vision" of the article,if you will.
And,about the 20% I first mentioned,I didn't come here with a fixed approach,I came here with a general idea,hoping to perfect it with the help of experienced adsense members.That is why I appreciate your opinions,and,if you have some resources/knowledge you can share,either by posting here or via PM,I would sincerely appreciate it.
Doesn't that ring a bell to you?
To most people in this forum, the answer to that question would be; then don't do it!
Just be an expert on one or just a few subjects and write hundreds of original articles about that!
Clearly on WebmasterWorld you will get a lot of "concentrate on one site", "work on content", "get your own", "you are stealing copyrighted material", "MFA is the devil", "work hard and you will succeed" and so on. I agree with most.Despite my ethics stoping me from doing what you are planning to do - the reality is it will most likely work, and will be successful.
My big NO was not really from the moralistic point of view - despite me being a fully paid up member of the pitchfork brigade:) I have tried in part to do what the OP wants to do, and it was my experience that the time and trouble involved did not pay off.
I did buy a bunch of sites off Ebay that were full of free articles. Funny how the guy selling a "Goldmine" couldn't give it away, but that's straying a bit off topic. Anyway, I picked one of the sites I thought would be a hot topic that I knew enough about, modified the site design and tinkered with the pages to make sure Google couldn't class it as duplicate content. I then got it hosted and used adwords to get some traffic. Bottom line is that some days I just about broke even, but mostly ran it at a loss. Without adwords I wouldn't have had any traffic at all. Ended up binning the idea. I couldn't imagine repeating that 100 times and still not making a profit - let alone a good one.
I've also tried a "Lite" version of my site, originally intended as a site made for Adsense (but with content) promoted via my main site, adwords and other established channels I'm involved in. The ads just about paid for the hosting after adwords were taken out of the profit. I still have that site as it is a complementary site with the info aimed at a different level, but it's now ad free mostly because of the duplicate content issue.
sigh.....
I know for a fact the amount of words in a sentence you need to change it by but I certainly am not going to post it on an open forum for all and sundry to see
Isn't sharing thoughts/opinions what this community is all about?
Isn't sharing thoughts/opinions what this community is all about?
Yes, and we've been doing that. Problem is that we keep covering the same old ground repeatedly, and I don't believe you've heard much of what we've said so far.
Isn't sharing thoughts/opinions what this community is all about?
yeah your right but the trouble is there is a thing called trust and of course golden nuggets what dont get posted on open forums, now I don't trust you because we have never met so there is no way I am going to give you a golden nugget.....you get my drift now?
Thank you David, you beat me to it as we are going round and round in circles but for some reason IncomeStream is not listening to any words of advice what so ever so you start to think that he is a TROLL
Yes, and we've been doing that. Problem is that we keep covering the same old ground repeatedly, and I don't believe you've heard much of what we've said so far.
At least as far as i am concerned,this thread is quite informative.
The conclusion(letting the "focus one a single website" discussion aside) was that,if one takes a free article and understands it/modifies it enough/adds a personal touch to it then it is not considered "duplicate content" and that,with such sites,there are premises(of course,we cannot speak about guarantees) for generating income.
Of course,it will involve more work that simply copying the article would,but nothing comes without work.
Thank you David, you beat me to it as we are going round and round in circles but for some reason IncomeStream is not listening to any words of advice what so ever so you start to think that he is a TROLL
I see,so a person is not allowed to have a different opinion.Not a mature attitude,IMO.This is,I am convinced,a community where freedom of speech is valued,so allow me to strongly disagree with your statement.
just for the record when someone who is new as you are does not respond to answers posted then it has all the signs of being a TROLL, if I got it wrong then it just one of those things
David your talking about morals with this guy?
And who the heck is Sundry and why does he not want him to see anything?
I've never used an article service, not even a free one, but I'd be surprised if they were okay with having their articles altered or modified.
Nah, just trying to interject some comedy into a already comedic thread, I am familiar with the expression.
My mum's from Glasgow.
It annoys me when threads like this run to five pages when all of the information can be found already by doing a little reading here.
2)If you take a free article and modify it,let's say 20%,would it still be considered "duplicate content" by search engines?How does a search engine determine wheather a site is "duplicate content" or not?
If you take one of MY free articles (I have a few, a very few on one free articles site), and you modify it, you are violating MY rights, the rights of the free articles site (TOS), and I'll put you in my prayers for eternal damnation for being a thief.
That's one of the troubles with starting with the mindset you are starting with. People who do that seem to be, in the chase for the quick buck, always cutting more and more corners.
If you are incapable of developing good content, either learn how, or hire someone, or figure out some other way that will work for you -- visitor supplied content, maybe.
I say pitchforks!
David your talking about morals with this guy?
Well, I'm bored. Stats are crap today, TV's rubbish, kids have gone to their freinds for sleepovers and my wife wants to use that opportunity to catch up on sleep! Nothing better to do really!
Cross linking used to work, but works much less now. Google checks the topic of linking sites, so if you're cross linking loads of different topic sites, it won't be worth much. It also checks for IPs of sites; you'll be flagged up as a link farm long before you reach the $100 mark, and you have to reach that mark to actually get the cash.
There's a reason everyone here says 'build one good site'. It works. It seems that you're only hearing what you want to hear, that the 100 domain strategy might have some value. It doesn't. One of the biggest skills in business is learning to listen; and learning to learn.
I'd suggest save the money you were going to spend on domains, and spend it on some cans of coke, or give it to a charity or something. Or just save it. Start a site - pick a topic you know at least 'something' about. Not adsense, or seo. Write articles, aimed at giving your visitors something interesting to read. Link to other related sites. Politely ask for return links; or if your content is good enough, you'll find people link to you *FOR FREE*. Carry on writing good content, in between holding down a regular job; you appear to be fairly literate, so make good use of it. The internet is full of rubbish, and filling up ever second. Don't be part of it.
I have suggested a strategy and asked some questions regarding that strategy(not if another strategy would be more suited).
May I just remind you of my actual questions(my very first post):
1)With one google adsense account,can I have the ads displayd on a large number of websites(100)?2)Do you think that I can earn around 0.1$/day for every site in my first month?If not,then how much do you think I will be earning?
3)Is having links to my other 99 websites on each site in compliance with the adsense TOS(I have read it and it appears ok,but I want to be 100% sure I am proceeding in a legitimate way)?
Question "1" has been answered.
Question "3" is problematic,as the google TOS states that a maximum of 100 links/page is recommended,so,with 99 links,I would still be in compliance.Other opinions are,of course,welcome
As for question "2",I am eagerly awaiting your opinions.
Thank you.
As for question "2",I am eagerly awaiting your opinions.
It was already answered here.
You need traffic, produced by flash and bones.
People coming to your site, interested in it.
Then, depending on your niche, quality and design of your site, conversions, etc. - CTR and EPC will be determined.
So, yes, if you meet the requirements, you can easily have $0.1 per site in the first month. ;)
It was already answered here.You need traffic, produced by flash and bones.
People coming to your site, interested in it.Then, depending on your niche, quality and design of your site, conversions, etc. - CTR and EPC will be determined.
So, yes, if you meet the requirements, you can easily have $0.1 per site in the first month. ;)
Yes,I have recieved answers,some quite interesting,but more educated opinions are always welcome.Also,anyone interested in sharing thoughts/ideas and keeping in touch is more than welcome to PM me.
...?If not,then how much do you think I will be earning?
I am not being rude here; but how do you expect anyone here to be able to predict your future earnings when most of us can't explain the reasons for past variations in our own earnings?
Question "3" is problematic,as the google TOS states that a maximum of 100 links/page is recommended,so,with 99 links,I would still be in compliance.Other opinions are,of course,welcome
Yes, you can put 99 links to your other sites a page. However, putting 99 links to your other sites on each of your 100 sites is a link farm. These can stop you being listed in the serps, and can get you booted out of adsense as that would not be in compliance with the tos.
Deceptive or manipulative content or construction to improve your site's search engine ranking, e.g., your site's PageRank
Do not participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web as your website may be affected adversely by those links.
Making a link farm is participating in a link scheme.
This is what we have repeatedly said throughout the thread. Don't make a link farm for these reasons.
The only way to answer the "How much will I earn" question is to construct your site(s), get them online and wait and see of you get any income, or the "You are the weakest link - goodbye" email. We can't answer that question - it's entirely down to how your sites perform, and that in turn is down to you.
Put the sites online and find out - it really is the only way. We have given you loads of excellent advice, I suggest you actually start making your site, and use it.
Your plan might be better suited for a different type of advertising mechanism with less stringency.
You could still drive traffic to your 100 sites using Adwords, and generate the $0.1+ by CJ, LinkShare, Amazon, or other advertising consolidators.
Do keep us informed. I would like to know how you are doing with your plans.
