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Looksmart PPC Program

Anyone try it out?

         

CalArch90

1:02 am on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I recently recently started a PPC campaign with Looksmart and have not experienced a very good conversion rate so far.

I generally have been successful with most PPC engines, so I don't understand why this is the case.

I've always assumed they have quality distribution partners, I know they lost MSN, but that should not affect things that much, or could it?

The amount of traffic they deliver is pretty strong, it's just the conversion which has not been as expected.

Has anyone tried their PPC program who could give me some feedback.

sebans

4:27 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)




looksmart has recently added 4/5 new distribution partners.

one of them is brainfox.com that gets 95% of clicks from asia (if you check the IP adresses of their clicks as I did you will find out)

The others are on the same level.

sebans

seth_wilde

10:15 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yeah, I held on a while after they where dumped by MSN, started seeing increases in traffic but a decrease in conversions. Finally gave up and canceled the accounts..

CalArch90

3:10 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks all. I'm going to give them another few weeks and if things don't get better, I'll probably dump them.

ByronM

4:53 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I was going to give it a try, but paying in advance for all assumed traffic was not what i wanted to do.

Without being able to build the traffic around the budget i could afford and having the ability to research keywords it just wasn't for me.

Glad they're getting away from the super expensive and painfull processes they used to have, but they have a ways to go before they will be competitive.

They severely need to loose that executive attitude they think they need to charge us for.

webvisitor

6:05 pm on Feb 16, 2004 (gmt 0)



Mamma.com is giving me respectable conversions. My Looksmart campaign is inexpensive so I just keep it and there has been an increase in traffic over the last two weeks. Mamma must have some new dist. partnerships that haven't been made known. The best thing about Mamma is that I literally own my keyword. (no competition within the database)

ckrcsmith

12:13 am on Feb 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've been advertising on LookSmart for my new site for a little over a month. I've (supposedly) had more than 3,000 click throughs without one single person actually contacting me for my services.

Now, maybe my site is lousy (I don't think so), but I also noticed that my site statistics show about half the visitors to my site who enter on my LookSmart tracking URL also leave the site from that URL. That would be EXTREMELY hard to do, IMHO. The tracking URL is only displayed for an instant, and looks like a regular page on my site until it refreshes to my home page. A human being would have a very difficult time entering another URL and telling the browser to go to it before the home page came up. I doubt if I could do it even if I were actually trying.

Anyone else with a similar experience?

[edited by: seth_wilde at 7:32 pm (utc) on April 13, 2004]

ckrcsmith

12:15 am on Feb 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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BTW, I only see this problem on my paid inclusion listing, which LookSmart is constantly demanding more money for. My keyword targeted listings don't seem to be affected.

CalArch90

3:31 am on Feb 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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BTW, I only see this problem on my paid inclusion listing, which LookSmart is constantly demanding more money for. My keyword targeted listings don't seem to be affected.

I am experiencing the same thing. It seems the inclusion keywords are fairly stable, but the PPC links are skyrocketing.

Have you noticed an increase, by the way, in the last couple of days. Mine went up tremendously as of Saturday. Usually weekends are slow, so this makes no sense.

I am thinking about disabling the PPC keywords and just keeping the inclusion listings. I get very little traffic from the inclusion listings, but at least it seems to be legitimate traffic.

eWhisper

4:02 am on Feb 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I was hoping they would find some relevant partners, and let the account run since the MSN change. Its so far not worked out, and think its time to disable the accounts for a couple months, let them iron out their partners and where they think they want to go for relevant listings - and then try them again in the fall to see what they've managed to accomplish.

CalArch90

4:14 am on Feb 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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ckrcsmith, just to clarify is it the keyword listings or the inclusion listings you are having problems with. In my case, it seems to be the keyword listings, while the inclusion listings seem to be fine.

eWhisper, I hope you are right and this is only temporary, they have always been a reputable company. I would hate to see them fall apart like this due to MSN dropping them.

ckrcsmith

7:05 pm on Feb 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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CalArch90, the ppc keyword listings seem more or less honest. The paid inclusion listing has been my problem. I believe the inclusion listing to be bogus.

eWhisper

8:38 pm on Feb 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Just got an email from LS that says their traffic partners have grown by 20% since December - which seems a bit too high since they lost MSN in January I believe.

CalArch90

10:56 pm on Feb 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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ckrcsmith, this is interesting because for me it's been the cpc keyword listings that have been receiving extremely high clickthroughs with no conversions.

Are you seeing conversions on your end from the keyword listings? When compared to other PPC's their keyword conversion rates seem really bad.

ckrcsmith

11:08 pm on Feb 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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CalArch90, I have received NO contacts from ANY LookSmart click-throughs.

To be fair, the number of clicks on keyword targeted listings is fairly small, but even if I only had a 1% conversion of click to call (or email), I should have gotten 6-8 contacts from keywords by now, and dozens from the inclusion listing.

As I said before, maybe my site sucks, but even if I was a Bozo, I'd expect to have gotten at least one enquiry by now....

edit_g

11:09 pm on Feb 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Looksmart rocks in Asia Pacific, not up to much anywhere else.

martinibuster

12:59 am on Feb 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Mamma.com loves me. I love Mamma.com.

Some of LS new partners engage in "contextual" advertising...

CalArch90

1:45 am on Feb 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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ckrcsmith, it probably has nothing to do with your site. I think Looksmart needs to iron out its distribution partner network before they can start delivering quality traffic. It seems like the quality before was all based on traffic from MSN.

eWhisper

1:51 am on Feb 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Has anyone tried their reseller program?

Mamma.com loves me. I love Mamma.com.

Now I have the Chicago soundtrack endless stuck in my head - thanks MB.

ckrcsmith

4:22 pm on Feb 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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CalArch90, Yea, but where did all the clicks come from?

Kerrin

4:28 pm on Feb 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I also noticed that my site statistics show about half the visitors to my site who enter on my LookSmart tracking URL also leave the site from that URL. That would be EXTREMELY hard to do, IMHO. The tracking URL is only displayed for an instant, and looks like a regular page on my site until it refreshes to my home page.

That will be people hitting the browser back button.

Just got an email from LS that says their traffic partners have grown by 20% since December - which seems a bit too high since they lost MSN in January I believe.

Sent an enquiry about taking Looksmart feeds in August and got an email requesting more info about my sites last week. They seem to be actively looking for new partners (they have to or Looksmart will die).

CalArch90

7:47 pm on Feb 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yea, but where did all the clicks come from?

Well, that is certainly reason for concern. When I say they need to get their partner network ironed out, part of what I'm saying is they need to weed out the bad partners, those that are producing the bad quality traffic.

From what I understand, Looksmart has a pretty good fraudulent click detection system in place, so I'm somewhat surprised about this. I don't necessarily notice any fraudulent clicks in my logs that I can see, but their traffic does not convert as well as the PPC engines I'm using. That's the main problem from my perspective.

The fact that they need partners fast to survive is part of the problem. This is likely to create a situation where they are less controlling of who is part of their network. I think eWhisper's idea of waiting it out for a while may be the best approach. Hopefully they will eventually get it together.

travelin cat

11:13 pm on Mar 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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does anyone know all of the current Looksmart partners? I just signed up for their ppc and would like to test them..

thanks in advance.

Andy_Reid

2:56 pm on Mar 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yeah, I think that I have had enough of LS. I am stopping my campaigns there now due to lack of ROI. They were good for me when they were shown on MSN.

And to reply to the underlying theme of the thread - I am a big Mamma.com fan, too.

Ryan_Lash

7:37 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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IMO, I am baffled by the INCREASE in clicks delivered via L$ after the loss of their two largest partners - MSN AND Inktomi. This loss should have caused at least an 85% decline in traffic.

FAQ aside:
[listings.looksmart.com...]

As a public traded company, don't you think a 3rd party audit of referring traffic sources, which directly equals revenue, is in order?

According to this press release, they do not seem to think so:
[biz.yahoo.com...]

It is time for a change in this industry.

digitalv

9:12 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Please read this post:

[webmasterworld.com...]

Seems I'm not the only one who has problems with looksmart.