Twice in title bad?

I've seen titles withe keywords twice not working

[silverbytes]

What do you say?
I noticed #1 results with 1 keyword pair in title rank better than those with the keyword in title repeated...

Coincidence or what?

[PatrickDeese]

I wouldn't rely on the observation of a single factor or a single SERP making or breaking the rank of a site.

[bufferzone]

You must remember that the title tag is not made for the benefit of search engines. It is mad to help the visually impaired and do give a logical description of the page for listing. This being said, most of the search engines use this tag and especially Google places great value and importance in the title tag.

My advice is this. Place one keyword in the very start of the title tag and then write some tekst explaining the content of the page. Your keyword will, hopefully, complement the content and visa versa, this combination will be logical and not offend any search engines.

[silverbytes]

I know Patrick... but that is not the point, no offense but such a comment doesn't help. We are discussing titles and keywords here and not how to position a website. There is a separate forum to cover search engine opt.

[silverbytes]

bufferzone: thanks!

Ive seen many key key2 - bla bla bla explain but I wonder if that is healthy for the title contribution to se ranking. (forget about the sense of title for a while)

a large description will make the rate of your keywords lower...

what about

key key2 bla explain with keyagain! bla?

[bufferzone]

I am probably just an old pureitist but I normally keep the number of keywords to one. If the keywords are related, they should be!, it probably wouldn’t hurt to have more than one, but I would never have the same keyword twice in the title

[PatrickDeese]

> I noticed #1 results with 1 keyword pair in title rank better...

Gee, I guess I misunderstood your post.

I have seen SERPs that are in conflict with your observation.

Anyhow, which search engine are you referring to? All of them?

[silverbytes]

Particulary Google, (but if I start the thread saying that someone will move this to google news) so let's talk about SE that matters: Google and Yahoo.

My titles (don't focous on all other factors) usted to contain keyword twiced and worked great. Many of these #1 in google.

I noticed that most of #1 to 5 results have titles like that

Bla key key - Bla Bla other results that match *exactly* the query rank worst (Im pretty sure it has nothing to do with pr, and other things)

if your search is "blue widgets"
the title
Blue widgets for everybody!
Will rank better than "Blue Widegets" alone

I'm starting to belive that the 100% coincidence is considered not healthy as well as duplicated keyowords in title. And that's why those titles ranks better.

What do you say?