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The blows are coming fast. I would look for a flood of $299 submissions. Is that a price increase I see in my crystal ball?
I see listings where the key words searched don't even appear on the page. Questionable relevance? No sub pages listed on the first page.
Well, off to London tomorrow.
So what you're saying is, you prefer the keyword stuffed hyphenated domain sites Y! had before, over sites ranked by Google? I think using Google would be much better, in my opinion.
I do have one question for those of you that saw the change, are the website sub-pages that are listed in the Google ranked Y! pages showing the Y! title/descriptions as well, or only the main page?
ie. is wwww.mysite.com/mystuff/ using the Y! title/desc for "mysite.com"? This would not be good, since my site covers so much topics and I don't want my main Y! title/desc showing for every page in my site.
One disturbing results page I saw was very bad, pure spam and giberish almost alternating (in order) with Google results... like
That was truly awful. Be afraid, be very afraid.
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Is this an indication that Yahoo is switching to a pay for inclusion SE for its web page results? Inktomi? Teoma? Wisenut?
I don't think so. If the ranking is pure Google like people first said, then that would be great for people with high Google rankings, no need to pay. I think it's great because people with list-my-spammy-site-with-these-keywords-as-the-title.com sites will no longer get high rankings just because they created a whole new company with that domain name as the company name to get high rankings for that specific title/search term. This is of course because Y! used to only put your company name as the title, which got WAY over abused and spammed in my opinion.
On the other hand, if my main page and all sub pages had really good Google rankings I'd pay $299/yr to get a proper title/desc made to reflect the content of that page to get higher clickthroughs.
Your search: purple penguins Search in: The Web ¦ Directory ¦ News
- pretty much the same
- pretty much the same, maybe 4 instead of 3 at the top. The full Overture descriptions were showing, not the usual truncated version.
Web Page Matches
- here's the big change.
Web page matches looked to be exactly Google results but with only a single page, not indented additional pages from any sites. Those pages (not sites) that are in the Y Directory had the Y description & path to the cat. I don't remember that the title was the Y title. There was a little Y! icon next to directory sites. One of my regular searches matched up perfectly with what G now shows. 1-3 are not in Y & #4 is in the Y directory.
NoCarrier referenced the new Y Help page [help.yahoo.com] that describes the results. It has changed since G last cached it & I did screenshot those. My bet is that the new, current page is probably not an interim page. It's the way it's gonna be. It essentially follows what we saw earlier.
Go60, you said you’d need to be in Y to get on the first page. That’s not what I saw & not what I read into the new help page. I think the snippet you quoted was the full disclosure on they might include results from PPC or PFI.
If what we saw is the real deal or close to it, Yahoo Express submission's value just took a hit. The only benefit would be a PR boost. And with Y linking to all those bad-neighborhoods-on-the-web, who know whether they'll be able to pass PR for long?
That is what I viewed also...
>I don't remember that the title was the Y title
If the site is listed in Y directory than it retains the Y directory title. If it is not listed in the Y directory, then it retains it's google title.
>Go60, you said you’d need to be in Y to get on the first page. That’s not what I saw
That's not what I viewed either. There were Y directory & non Y directory listings and those appear on first page results also (in Google order) but without a Yahoo des & title.
some very interesting SERPS, even seen a listing directly from the ODP listed verbatim (ODP url), in the top 10, even though it was mine, can't moan, have the number one postition anyway, but i have to agree, with the general consensus, that the motions of Yahoos interlude's into what is seemingly absurd, will have massive effects upon the net.
So who's feeding, who's going to be feeding, i have not heard any suggestions to support, but are yahoo thinking they can do their own serps, without the well known crawlers, hence get into the search solutions marketplace?
[edited by: caine at 7:47 am (utc) on Oct. 9, 2002]
<speculation>Part of the problem, I think, is because Yahoo doesn't weigh keyword proximity heavily when a search has 2 or more keywords. Interestingly, Google just moved in Yahoo's direction by lightening the keyword proximity factor in its own algo.</speculation>
The change you're describing would, I suspect, make Yahoo search more popular. And it would help me since I do fine in Google.