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Watch out MSN and AOL, here comes SBC Yahoo Dial, a serious contender!

Yahoo will now offer it all

         

Marcia

3:48 am on May 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Just received an email announcement that SBC Prodigy Internet Services is being taken over by a new provider, SBC Yahoo Dial [sbcglobal.prodigy.net].

From the information page on Prodigy's site:

Prodigy Communications, part of the family of SBC Internet Services, has been working hard to improve your membership benefits. Just recently, SBC Internet Services joined forces with Yahoo!® Inc. to bring you a brand new enhanced Internet experience - SBC Yahoo! Dial. We're excited to tell you that the new SBC Yahoo! Dial is replacing your existing Prodigy service.

A number of local ISPs were already integrated into SBC Prodigy a while back, including Pacific Bell, and now Yahoo will have all of those as well. It's starting with dial-up, with broadband to be added some time later in the year.

The current Prodigy start page, which you are literally hijacked into loading when you dial up, will be replaced by a new Yahoo start page. The user ID can be integrated with Yahoo ID, and now instead of the ad-free web pages provided, it will be Geocities pages. Yahoo messenger will also be integrated into the new browser when the new software is installed:

The SBC Yahoo! Dial browser is customizable to suit your specific surfing needs and interests. It comes equipped with an integrated SBC Yahoo! Messenger and lots more.

Seems MSN and AOL will have some stiff competition coming on the scene, with a substantial marketing head-start. This new kid on the block already has a lot of clout with a lot of the same type of market sector.

Prodigy now uses Looksmart (with its Inktomi backfill) as search provider for their internet service subscribers. This could paint a whole new picture with the shuffling around at MSN with guesswork still going on, the recent Google/AOL marriage and the Google/Yahoo renewal looming.

Jaze

4:04 am on May 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

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And hence even more coverage for Google and more traffic for our site ;-)
Thanks Marcia, along with BBC search engine going Googly, you've made my day!

chiyo

4:18 am on May 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

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This is the first time ive heard about Prodigy for about 10 years! I remember they used to one of the leading pre- internet bulletin boards competing with compuserve and genie or something like that before the popular advent of the WWW and the "public web" overtook them. Like CS and the "newcomer" MSNetwork Version 1 (MS's failed effort to compete with CS, and AOL with their own private network, competing as a whole against the WWW proper) they were all hit bad by the fast emergence of the public WWW.

Its interesting to see all these prehistoric names crop up again. Thats not to demean them, they obviously all have a strong group of brand loyal users, but it may suggest we are in a real state of change in the internet indutsry now. Reference also the current thread on Japan and Google's imode service.

Exciting times...

mcguffin

4:27 am on May 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Yup, it's weird, I switched to SBC broadband and a few months ago they told me that their partner was Prodigy.

I blinked, checked to see if Sherman-and-I had gone through the Wayback machine, and then realized the world is a wonderous and strange place.

Marcia

4:38 am on May 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>strong group of brand loyal users

chiyo, I switched from MSN and haven't had a day of trouble since. But I'm not in such a hurry to download the new software. I'll make sure to take usernames and the accompanying web space provided because I can live without Geocities sites. Also, I'm not so sure I want a universal ID with the rest of the Yahoo services, which I use to subscribe to a few groups and email lists. But I'm not looking at it from the personal view, I think it's a major step for a portal like Yahoo to be taking.

Jaze, this is announced in May, and I couldn't find anything on Yahoo's site announcing their ISP service yet, so it's not been announced or marketed to the public yet. There's speculation whether the Yahoo/Google alliance will continue, with the current contract expiration one month away.

What I'm finding most interesting is that MSN competed with AOL with a have-it-all solution, and Yahoo announced several months ago that they were looking to expand into additional types of user services. This seems like a major move to compete against both MSN and AOL in the ISP market by providing the same all-in-one type of easy to use package, emulating AOL's original model.

No doubt they'll market this aggressively, and they already have a base of loyal users. So from their already strong position, who they choose for their search becomes even more significant.

Jaze

5:41 am on May 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Jaze, this is announced in May, and I couldn't find anything on Yahoo's site announcing their ISP service yet, so it's not been announced or marketed to the public yet. There's speculation whether the Yahoo/Google alliance will continue, with the current contract expiration one month away.

hmmm, you're quite right, there's discussion of this on another thread [webmasterworld.com] which escaped me with all the excitement of having more hits ;). This actually makes me think more seriously that the partnership will not survive between the two... it would certainly add meaning to the phrase 'Google dance' with recent events if it didn't.

Will wait read and see....

SmallTime

6:02 am on May 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Network TV all over again....

1701

2:09 pm on May 14, 2002 (gmt 0)



Prodigy never disappeared. They just didn't annoy the he11 out of us with a CD-Rom in every box of Corn Flakes...like some other substandard online service we know about.

I have never stopped using Prodigy over the past 18 years. They offered a web portal before CS or AOHell, and became a full dial-up ISP a couple years later.

Service was never disrupted or declined. The only noticable change was that my prodigy.com email address changed to prodigy.net. Other than that, I have the same experience as any other dial-up ISP can provide, always have, and never experienced "busy signals."

Yahoo!'s got big shoes to fill.

JamesR

5:09 pm on May 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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welcome 1701

>CD-Rom in every box of Corn Flakes

great quote to start out with :)

blake_Allen

10:35 pm on Jun 26, 2002 (gmt 0)



I Just received SBC Yahoo's installation CD as they took over from Prodigy who took over from Flash Net... This is a very agressive program! The dial up auomatically selects the new Yahoo browser, sets your Email up on Outlook Express and attacks your existing Netscape Browser, changing preferences, replacing Netscape links with Yahoo links on the Personal Toolbar, eliminating the "My Netscape" Icon on the toolbar plus the usual installing of Yahoo Mesenger...whether you want it or not; is it possible that this sort of attack is legal?

Marcia

10:45 pm on Jun 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the heads up, blake. I'm trying to take up all the Prodigy IDs before the switch because I don't want any different email and they'll now give Geocities pages, which I don't want either. They haven't even said whether they'll have ads on them, like the Prodigy pages don't.

Is it just a branded browser, or totally different? How about the start page - do they force-feed you with that?

I haven't installed the software, I just can't bring myself to. It doesn't sound very appealing.

Mark_A

10:51 pm on Jun 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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If my experience with one of the companies mentioned is anything to go by I would not hold your breath waiting for good things.

From my point of view I can quite understand why Yahoo might not yet have made a song and dance about it.

There would be rather a lot of training (and sacking) to do before I would let one of those particular companies start talking to any customers of mine :-)

I find vagueness often avoids legal implications :-)

blake_Allen

7:18 pm on Jun 27, 2002 (gmt 0)



After the install, a replacement Dial-up screen appears; clicking "connect" starts the dial-up process and the Yahoo browser aimed at a Yahoo login/homepage, which, although a Yahoo support person says it a real proprietary browser, looks and acts like a "skin" on Internet Explorer (like Neoplanet) At that point if you are a Netscape user you have to close the Yahoo browser and start Netscape. When your Netscape opens you will find that it has been modified by Yahoo. "My Netscape" is gone and all personal toolbar items have been replaced with Yahoo links. A person would probably be better off to just change the Dial-up info manually and not let this super-agressive program anywhere near your computer. How likely is it that most people will ignore the "Just Load Me" instruction?

catfish

1:46 pm on Jul 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'm a little bit late in the game here, but wondering if anyone else has experienced this problem. I received my SBC Yahoo! Dial installation disk (after having been a Prodigy subscriber for 3 years) and loaded it onto my machine only to have it continually give me various .dll error messages. I've contacted Yahoo! and they say it's a Windows problem, contacted Windows and they said I should call IBM (my PC manufacturer), called IBM and they told me to call Best Buy because my "hard drive is corrupted because of the software". Apparently, this has happened to a lot of IBM's customers (Prodigy software came loaded on lots of their machines at one point) recently. Any ideas? Best Buy couldn't help me over the phone and I'm scared to take it in to be fixed because they might delete everything on my hard drive.

Marcia

2:36 pm on Jul 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>A person would probably be better off to just change the Dial-up info manually and not let this super-agressive program anywhere near your computer.

That's what I've done all along, since their start page is apparently hard-coded and you can't change the start page like you normally would. I set up 2 different dial-up numbers and just go into dial-up networking and connect with one of those, which uses the IE start page I designated the usual way.

>How likely is it that most people will ignore the "Just Load Me" instruction?

Not very likely that many won't. I have no intention of installing the new software, I'll continue to use the access I set up by hand. I've also set up the additional 10 usernames so I'll have the email addresses and web space. I don't want Geocities instead of the ad-free Prodigy gave, and I certainly don't want any username@yahoo.com email addresses for regular use. There's so much spam mail coming out of Yahoo daily I'd end up getting blocked, no fault of my own.

If it becomes mandatory to switch I'll change providers.

catfish, I'd set up a connection manually in dialup networking and try to uninstall that software. If there were any trouble doing that, I'd call their tech support for help in uninstalling it. Chances are you'll get a Tier-1 support person who has no idea how so they'll say it can't be done. In that case, I'd insist on talking to a Tier-2 or Tier-3 person or a supervisor.

catfish

3:06 pm on Jul 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Marcia -- Thanks so much for the great advice. I completely agree about not wanting a Yahoo address for spam reasons. Actually, even since switching over from Prodigy to the SBC Yahoo software, I've received almost twice as much spam as normal, so I'm wondering if that's a coincidence. Hmmmm....probably not. Thanks again!

KMxRetro

7:18 am on Jul 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hold up here. This whole "bundled software" thing has been confusing me lately.

I used to use Demon as an ISP here in the UK and was always forced to connect using an ugly piece of software called Turnpike. I didn't ask for it to be installed, but it was anyway. If you connected without it, your connetion was refused.

I may be wrong, but I thought Microsoft were taken to court because they bundled IE and Outlook Express with their software, apparently "forcing" users to use IE and Outlook Express, even though Netscape and Eudora could be installed and used very easily indeed.

Shouldn't it be the case that these ISP's are taken to court too? I mean, I use Trillian as my IM software, I don't want Yahoo! Messenger installed on my machine. Although if I sign up with SBC Yahoo Dial, thats exactly what happens.

I don't want MSN Messenger installed either, but a number of ISP's here in the UK install it automatically without asking when you use their cover disc. That, or Netscape, AIM, ICQ, AOL Browser...you see where I'm going. :)

If I'm way off, then I apologise, but it just looks like one rule for Microsoft (however much you hate them) and one rule for everyone else.

mack

4:01 pm on Jul 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I can imagine that prodigy must have built up quite a sucessfull business over the past few years. After all they whre an option provided as part of the windows 98 internet connection wizard.

MarbleTop

2:59 am on Sep 13, 2002 (gmt 0)



Actually, before SBC took over Prodigy was losing about a million dollars a month. IBM and Sears plowed a billion dollars into it without ever making a dollar. At the end they were losing fifty four cents for every dollar of sales.