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Yahoo opens your spam tap - part 2

         

IanTurner

10:06 pm on Mar 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Continued from part 1: [webmasterworld.com...]


I'm just amazed at how many people use Yahoo mail.

bird

12:02 am on Mar 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'm just amazed at how many people use Yahoo mail.

So am I! There are gobs of free (and spam free) e-mail services out there, so there's really no reason to fall for one of the big dummy traps.

I happen to have a yahoo account simply for accessing some mailing lists there. Now I tried to delete it, and got an error message saying "Your new password must be at least three characters". Anyone else tried this?

bigjohnt

12:40 am on Mar 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>Hmmm thats an MSN front page. Funny that MSN are making a point about this,..

Aww, c'mon. What? you don't think MS could be the slightest bit hypocritical regarding a competitor :o ;)

Robert Charlton

5:59 pm on Mar 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'm not sure you need to use Yahoo mail to be affected by this. I had to set up a My Yahoo account to request a Yahoo listing way back.

How about people who have inadvertently set up a My Yahoo account to customize the weather forecasts, etc?

I'm wondering whether being on a Yahoo List automatically opens me up for trouble (several organizations I belong to use Yahoo Lists to manage their mailings)...

...and, is there a way to check to see if you have more than one My Yahoo account? I can imagine that I may have set one up way back and forgotten about it, but that these guys might remember.

john316

6:14 pm on Mar 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

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<<I'm wondering whether being on a Yahoo List automatically opens me up for trouble (several organizations I belong to use Yahoo Lists to manage their mailings)...<<

Yes! I never had a yahoo email account, simply an account that I set up to participate on some of the message boards, when I checked the spam settings the other day, they were on "full spam" mode.

What makes this even worse is the spam will (would have) been going to primary email address.

Yahoo has little or no respect for their constituency.

Robert Charlton

7:11 pm on Mar 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>>simply an account that I set up to participate on some of the message boards<<

The tricky part of Yahoo Lists is that I didn't set up the accounts, so I have no log-in ID or password that I know of. In two cases, organizations I belonged to just converted their lists to Yahoo Lists. Any idea what to do about this?

skibum

10:39 pm on Apr 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Everyone ought to go to YAHOO!, sign up for 5 email accounts, leave all the permissions checked and put YAHOO! corporate addresses and phone numbers in for the personal information.

diddlydazz

10:50 pm on Apr 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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<<<-- Everyone ought to go to YAHOO!, sign up for 5 email accounts, leave all the permissions checked and put YAHOO! corporate addresses and phone numbers in for the personal information.

Now thats an idea :)

Dazz

Robert Charlton

7:43 am on Apr 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Actually, I shouldn't have said "Yahoo Lists." I meant "Yahoo Groups." Am I going to get spammed because I'm on a group mailing list or not? There aren't any preferences to set that I can determine.

victor

9:03 am on Apr 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

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> Am I going to get spammed because I'm on a
> group mailing list or not? There aren't an
> preferences to set that I can determine.

The group owner/moderator can decide if members can look at the membership list. If they've allowed that, then anyone can join the group, grab all email addresses, and disappear.

If they haven't allowed that option, someone would have to join the group and grab the email address from each message received -- a slower process and only gets the active membership.

Or they could harvest them up from the archive -- your email address remains visible in the archive of old posts you've sent.

I don't think there's any way a non-member can tell what the "View list?" setting is before you join other than to ask a moderator -- and then hope that they don't change the setting during your membership.

You can't post anonymously, so your email address will be visible to all members if your posts. If you don't trust them with that, use a one-off address for that group. Or join a securer provider

skibum

4:58 pm on Apr 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Possible class action [wired.com] material.

Kinda makes one wonder, what good is a privacy policy if it holds no weight whatseover and can be changed to anything at any time.

victor

9:28 pm on Apr 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Just for completeness, the list owner/moderator can set an option so that members _can_ hide their email address.

This option is permanent once set ("If you select this option, you may not change it later" the screen says).

If you, as a member of such a group, elect to hide your email address, you can't post via email. To post you need an YahooGroups id and use their online form -- as we do in Webmasterworld.

I don't how/if you can tell before joining if this option is set -- it's probably obvious on the subscribe form, but I've never stumbled across a group with that option set.

Robert Charlton

8:08 am on Apr 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Victor - I should have made this clearer... In the context of this thread, I'm not concerned about the members of the group harvesting my email address and spamming me... I'm concerned about Yahoo spamming me.

Also, I didn't actually join the group. In both cases, I was on mailing lists that later decided to use Yahoo Groups to send out their email newsletters. So, I know nothing about any settings or preferences, and I don't know where to find out. The people who operate the lists don't seem to know either.

victor

12:57 pm on Apr 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Robert,

Yahoo reserve the right to spam you:

"New categories of marketing communications may be added to the Marketing Preferences page from time to time. Users who visit this page can opt out of receiving future marketing communications from these new categories..."
[privacy.yahoo.com...]

As we know, Yahoo recently created some additional categories and defaulted them to "spam me: yes". They must be smarting from the loss of goodwill.

They do seem to honor "spam me: no" -- I've never had a spam from them. But will I be able to turn the categories off in future faster than they can create them? If I want to be a little paranoid, I could imagine them creating a category, spamming their users and then removing the category before we have a chance to just say no.

Doofus

4:19 am on Apr 18, 2002 (gmt 0)



Yahoo! will be using one-pixel web bugs in the email they send out:

[privacy.yahoo.com...]

But Yahoo! calls them "web beacons" instead of "web bugs" so that makes it okay.