dropped out of yahoo

getting paranoid!

[mr_dredd2]

Hi. In the past month I've seen to websites that i manage dropped from their yahoo catagories (NOT google - real yahoo). I believe both were in there for a while, and I don't think they were business express listings. Has anyone else had any drops lately?
:)

[Macguru]

Hi MrDredd2,

Welcome to WebmasterWorld, this place is gold.

It happened recently, more details here [webmasterworld.com].
Can you please give us more informations on if those sites where updated after submission?

[Hunter]

Looks like Yahoo is "dropping" itself lately...many of their pages are not loading today and last night :)

[mr_dredd2]

Hi Macguru - I don't think its the same problem as that thread you pointed me to, because web pages is google results, and the two sites I have in mind were in the yahoo directory - i.e. showing up in web SITES. Now they have disappeared - I have never in my own humble experience seen yahoo dropping sites out of its directory.

I was wondering if this was just bad luck or if other people have had the same thing happen recently.

[Macguru]

The tread is pointing to a yahoo directory disapearence.

[mr_dredd2]

I thought lizzie said it was from yahoo webpages, not the directory..

[Macguru]

Please keep on reading after this.

Can you please give us more informations on if those sites where updated after submission?

[mr_dredd2]

hi, these 2 sites had modifications on them - I didn't sub them initially to yahoo, so these modifications must have come afterwards - but no javascript redirections on the homepage.

I'm still a bit confused on lizzies example, I've read the whole thread a number of times and all I can see is Lizzie saying she dropped from yahoo webpages..

[Macguru]

Here is another intersting tread about Yahoo.

[webmasterworld.com...]

After you read it, try to surf thoses sites with JavaScript turned off on your browser. If everything works OK, and you can't see a reason why Yahoo directory dropped them, feel free to sticky mail me your adresses. I will try to find something.

[markd]

Still think Yahoo are taking a bit of a 'luddite' view of the use of Java, older browsers etc.

IMHO they should be pushing 'the latest' to the fore rather than penalising those that choose to target users above a certain browser threshold etc. I also think that consideration should be given to the category requested in relation to the audience that may use the site. One of my sites refused via Biz Express was for a web design client who extensively used DHTML and Java and the only error was a slight mis-positioning in Netscape 4.7. Even this did not obscure or prevent information being clearly visible. It really was a very good, informative site.

Would someone searching for, or looking at, a site from a Web Design agency expect them to produce a site which was fully functional using 3.0, Java dodgy browsers?

Yet to see any of my 'archive' sites disappear (fingers crossed)!

[Macguru]

Like I say many times in a week, I am not here to defend Yahoo's selection criterias. Some Web design agencies refuse to deal with those "complications" and do not pass the test. Some other agencies are smart enough to listen and get 30%, or more, traffic this way.

The receipie is simple: You start with plain vanilla HTML site.

You provide the site with a external JavaScript redirect to the JavaScript version. If the visitor is without JavaScript he will stay with the plain vanilla HTML site, just like SE spiders. About 95% of real visitors will be redirected to this JS version without noticing it. This way 101% (due to rounding) of people have what they like to have.

If you insist on delivering a site with all the wizzbang you like, please provide the site with all wizzbang detection you need. So people not liking what you like at least get the plain vanilla HTML version.

OK, Yahoo is alergic to peanuts. It represents at least 30% of traffic. Is it a good idea trying to force some down his troath?

[glengara]

As some may be aware, I'm working on the premise that Y! is less concerned with antique browsers than with its directory being accessible to those with disabilities.
Recently came across [cast.org...] this is their "Blurb":

*Bobby is a free service provided by CAST to help Web page authors identify and repair significant barriers to access by individuals with disabilities.*

You can download Bobby to test a whole site,or get an online report for a single page.The report is pretty detailed, I submitted the home page of a Y! listed site, and was quite surprised at how many "improvements" were suggested.

While not suggesting you should comply with everything suggested, it's a useful tool to identify what they, and possibly Y!, see as problem areas.

Macguru, would that external JS redirect file have any negative implications with the SEs?

[Macguru]

Yes glengara, when not properly used java redirects can hurt. Personally, I use them for redirection from a frame page to the proper frameset. I make sure neither spiders nor humans can access the folder where the script is stored.

I do not use external JS redirects from doorways or from other domains. You can read a couple of interesting ideas and techniques on using framesets to improve positions here [webmasterworld.com]. Of course it is a little more work, but I get good resutls this way.

[glengara]

Macguru, I've often wanted to ask, as one of the very few who stand up for the use of frames, where would you choose to use them,and why.

[Macguru]

Glengara, many members here uses framed sites, for many reasons. I do not want to slide more off topic than I already did. I recommend you to use the "site search" feature and to search for "frames", you will be surprised of all the goodies you can fin on it.

[2_much]

Going back to the original question. While I was on vacation, Yahoo dropped 6 sites that had been listed for a couple of months and paid via Biz Ex.

I've been out of the loop so I have no idea why or how. I emailed Yahoo about a couple of these to try and identify what's going on.

These sites use minimal java or css or any of these techniques. My only other guess is load time.

I'll post what I discover.

[mr_dredd2]

2_much - check that they work in netscape 4, 4.7, 6 etc

this is why i've been ahving probs