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May 11, 2006: Yahoo Update?

Yahoo Results Bouncing Back and Forth

     
3:38 pm on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I went to check some keywords and ranking in yahoo and I am seeing yahoo bounce back and forth between two sets of results. Anyone else seeing this?

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7:57 am on May 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The poor/unfiltered? results seem to have made it to yahoo.com - good results still on the odd regional like Yahoo.it, Yahoo.fr?

Some of the things I have noticed so far for future work by us/Yahoo:-

- The untargted pages from sites outranking the target page, eg the page linking with the anchor text ranks above the internal page. (Shame as this works perfectly on Yahoo.it/fr)

- Title tag devalued.

- random occurences of the keywords throughout the page is better than near phrase matching.

If these stay pretty much ends Yahoo as being a useful search engine for me - but who knows with Yahoo - but as .com has followed co.uk - it looks like the bad results are the future now.

I wonder if it is some Over Optimization Penalty Yahoo are trying - all it has really done has removed the most relevant searches from what I can see - hmmmz - oh well lets hope the update is still being rolled out and not all factors are in yet.

11:52 am on May 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Wow....6 out of 15 results for a very competetive term are blogspot sites with no content at all!

Yahoo! looks like MSN minus the subdomains.

Yahoo! results were getting better. This is a big step back.

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>>>Wow....6 out of 15 results for a very competetive term are blogspot sites with no content at all!

Yep, that fits in.

Yahoo is returning losely matched results rather than tightly matched results of 7-8 days ago. So I guess if a Blog mentioned the term anywhere on the page in any order they will have come to the top - much like MSN does (and why MSN is so poor)

Now it has reached .com I wonder if there will be a little more intrest in this thread - esp from US members etc.

12:42 pm on May 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It has been showing on the US Yahoo, but only geographically. I am in NY and am seeing it on .com first time today, but my friend in Cali has been seeing it since Tuesday.

One of our listings dropped 200+ positions.

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Can you get the proper/better results back when going to certain regionals and doing a web search:-

au.yahoo.com
Yahoo.fr
Yahoo.it

?

12:54 pm on May 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Dayo, for each I am getting very different results.
12:56 pm on May 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Correction, my sites are doing better on yahoo.it.

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>>>my sites are going very well on yahoo.it

Sounds about what is happening to me and on some other regionals.

Oh well lucky for Italy they still have a good Yahoo search service :o

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[Wow....6 out of 15 results for a very competetive term are blogspot sites with no content at all!
Yahoo! looks like MSN minus the subdomains.

Yahoo! results were getting better. This is a big step back.]

you're right... many of the sites in the top 10 are just directories that list other sites with good content. a couple of these sites actually list me in their "directory" but I'm down at #20!

and yes... no relevance! here's a great example :

type in "money making ideas" and you'll see a web hosting site at #18 (higher on some datacenters)... no relevance to the search term, and absolutely NO keywords on the front page!

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>>>>many of the sites in the top 10 are just directories that list other sites with good content. a couple of these sites actually list me in their "directory" but I'm down at #20!

Exactly and fits into my comment that the page linking to the page with the content outranking the content page.

I would say roll it back - but I am not sure that it is a rollback which is required - just seems like there are different sets of data floating around - after all this was first noticed on May 11th and has become more noticable in the last week or so when the cr@p set went on to .co.uk and then .com.

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"Exactly and fits into my comment that the page linking to the page with the content outranking the content page."

Yep I have seen this also even from internal pages linking to content pages where the linking page outranks the more relevant content page.

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Not sure if there is another update in progress today, but overnight serps on my key phrases changed. I guess that would qualify as an update even if there is no official declaration.

Anyway, there has been an influx of subdomain spam and, in a few cases, these subdomain urls redirect to an unrelated site.

I have sent some spam reports.

12:10 am on May 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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yep crobb305...

after almost 3 weeks, there was suddenly movement in the serps for my key phrase. serps cache finally reflecting my site's latest update and the i've moved up a couple of notches, but heck... those sites in the top ten... they just don't got no original content man!

and here's another funny thing...

type in "money making ideas" and a web hosting company appears in the top 10/20 (no relevance and absolutely no keywords).

type in "free money making ideas" and Yahoo! Geocities Webhosting appears in the top 10/20...

can anyone confirm that you see this too? conspirary theory (again?) : could Y! be sneaking in paid ads in the serps? i hope it's just a glitch...

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Pfft

Now Yahoo.com has the good results again for me. Cr@p is still on .co.uk......

Come on Tim, switch .co.uk back to the good results ;)

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IMHO, this is the worst update ever. *All* top 10 results for nearly every common phrase in my area are now blog spammers. It looks a lot like MSN.

Combined with the slew of ads and garbage all over their results pages, they now serve a completely useless platter of steaming ---- to their visitors. I think I can hear the fat lady singing.

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in my case, if Yahoo bannes 4 spamming domains - where subdomains are included in top 40 we would have 27 quality links to the sites on topic. unfortunately we have to wait, as always, just a couple of days more.

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Well the Yahoo search blog seems to have confirmed the update.....

But we still have a couple of different versions of the algo about with Australia, Denmark, Italy and a host of other countries having good Yahoo results.

Yahoo.co.uk, Alltheweb & Altavista remains cr@p and .com switches between cr@p and good.

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What is the address to the Yahoo search blog? I've been happy to see more of my pages finally being indexed by Y.
12:59 pm on May 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Yes, I have seen some major improvements in yahoo.
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I was checking SERPs on something this weekend and the second position was an adult site. Haven't seen that in awhile.
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Singapore Y results are still good, but looking at the main site just seems strange results.

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Yep, Singapore is in the good batch by the looks of it.

>>>I've been happy to see more of my pages finally being indexed by Y.

The depth of the index is the same on the good and the cr@p batches by the looks of it.

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Yes, their search blog confirms the update, but still inexplicable why so many different indexes floating around. ATW, and AV completely different from yahoo.com.
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I'm very happy with it. Things are peachy. I'm sure whoever I beat is saying that it sucks.
9:03 pm on May 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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ATW, and AV completely different from yahoo.com.

They don't have the penalized/directory sites included.

10:50 pm on May 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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yahoo.co.uk showing older ugly SERPs.
yahoo.com showing really new SERPs and these are pretty cool.
for both me as a user and me as a website owner
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I see exactly the opposite ...Yahoo.co.uk is fine and Yahoo.com is the usual garbage.

To support my saying: one of our domains sell products on a very specific industry, we sell in US only (because our product can not be sold anywhere else) and our UK results are better which is kinda stupid considering that the top sites on US SERP's are just garbage...at best they are remotely connected.

Anyhow, one tiny update, not a real deep improvement every 5 months is unlikely to keep Yahoo with their current marketshare (already far bahind Google unlike they want us to think) for long IMO - I would be one of their investors I would worry big time when it comes to search.

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>>yahoo.co.uk showing older ugly SERPs.
>>yahoo.com showing really new SERPs and these are pretty cool.

Yep, Yahoo.com have the good results again - .co.uk, ATW and Altavista are stuck on the less targetted results.

>>>They don't have the penalized/directory sites included.

Not what I am seeing depends on the search term I guess - but ATW and Altavista have losely targeted matches - meaning that directories and pages linking to the content are ranking better than the more targetted page.

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Dayo_UK

I do not see the penalised sites on Yahoo.com

UNLESS

I do the search via anonymiser then I see the penalized sites appear. Must be on some DC that we don't see in Europe.

I must say it does feel good to see the ol site back in Y! even if it is a mistake or whatever.

Two years out in the cold, since the INKTOMI farce...

11:33 am on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Yahoo.com looks promising... hopefully on it's way to .co.uk!
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