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Yahoo has stressed that it didnít reveal any personal information. "We are rigorous defenders of our usersí privacy," Yahoo spokeswoman Mary Osako said last night. "In our opinion, this is not a privacy issue."
There's no privacy issue here. So nothing to tsk, tsk about.
What interests me is that if this data will be used in a court of law as evidence, then it becomes a public record. In other words, we will be entitled to a copy of the raw search query data ourselves (unless the Justice Department promised not to do that, or the folks at Yahoo didn't think about that).
What interests me is that if this data will be used in a court of law as evidence, then it becomes a public record. In other words, we will be entitled to a copy of the raw search query data ourselves
Aha! I hadn't thought of that. I knew there had to be some reason other than privacy that Google chose this fight.
Connect the dots: Query on July 3 from IP address of ###.##.##.###, which IP address was assigned by ISP ABC to the phone number of the Smith household during the hours of . . which corresponds to the queries for . . .
Now, aren't you glad that on that date your bored little mind, having just read a news article about the prolific sex habits of fruit flies lead you to do a search for . . .?
You think Uncle Sam doesn't have the computing power to match up that data?
Turn the lights out. Unplug the computer. Put down the cell phone. Somebody just can't resist sifting through all that data you are creating.
Knock, knock. "Who is it?" "Mr. Smith, it's your friend, the government. We have a subpoena for your computer. We're not looking for any personal data. We'd just like to take a look around inside your hard drive. You don't have a problem with that, do you?"
[edited by: Webwork at 9:56 pm (utc) on Jan. 20, 2006]
I heard this morning on NPR that the government subpoeana sought not only search queries but also the IP addresses from which those queries originated - covering a 2 month period.
I've seen the same thing said about the subpeona for Yahoo/MSN as well now, so I'm wodering if their reps are misinformed or purposely denying what they gave away...
the government's subpoena sought both the search queries AND the IP addresses from which those queries originated
they want the ip address too? are you certain? because if yahoo relented in a way in which they indicated that their customers privacy was not impacted I'd have to believe that translates to NO IP FOR YOU.
What interests me is that if this data will be used in a court of law as evidence, then it becomes a public record
I think that is exactly why google is fighting back. MSN, Yahoo, jeeves and most of the worlds search geeks would love to get their hands on that data.
Keira Knightly is over 18, right? :)
It asks for search queries and urls
Even so some consider this a violation of their privacy (I do) and Google claims it is a burden, irrelevanty, trade secret, and would make them look like they were caving into privacy invasions.
Yahoo and AOL both insist that, while they complied fully with the feds' request, none of the information handed over was personally identifiable.
What's interesting is that MSN is missing from that statement but MSN complied with the request as stated earlier in the article.
"all queries that have been entered on your company's search engine between June 1, 2005 and July 31, 2005, inclusive."
They amended this after "lengthy negotiations" to:
"the text of each search string entered onto Google's search engine over a one-week period (absent any information identifying the person who entered such query"
So they did want everything, they've just narrowed down this foothold attempt to get a victory against Google - I wonder what the other engines agreed to?
[edited by: bcolflesh at 10:36 pm (utc) on Jan. 20, 2006]
CNBC is talking about it right now... Yahoo does not seem to stand up to government - they got rid of their chat rooms online and acted cowardly towards the gvmt. I praise Google for standing up to the gvmt.
Know where I can see a copy?
According to the Motion you linked to (government's brief) Google is arguing that compliance with the government's subpoena would require Google to disclose personally identifiable information.
Our friendly government may be arguing that - without the final match up - IP to phone number - the IP addresses are not "personally identifiable information".
Don't rest easy on this one. The came's nose is peeking under the big tent of search.
Sales of the (nevertheless worthless ) "evidence eliminator" type progs will no doubt go though the roof..
The current AG where you folks are wouldn't be named Torquemada by any chance would he ..seems like some of his close friends are behind this ..considering the recent history of the churches in the matters of sex and children ( their smoke and mirrors I know ..but some will be blinded ..even here in fora ) I would 've thought they would be better staying away from this area ..Glass houses , stones and all ..
Wonder what they'll ask for next, after they find a query for "bad stuff"?
I wonder what the government intends to use the record of queries for . . in the future? Might it serve as the basis for future legislation? Might it serve as the basis for more "surveillance by presidential power authority"?
Stay tuned. This has a certain smell of rot about it.
"We're only sticking our noses into everything to protect you."
Ya, right. I feel protected now.
How long until the next election?
"Gosh Martha, sez here theres a hundrid 'n fify thousan serches fer pipe bomb each monf. Don' see why the feds shoun't be able git them serch engin's to cooperate."
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Until that happens though, Google is looking good and the rest as spineless companies eager to give the government your private data...the average person just reads the headlines :)
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