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Enough negativity! :>~ Until Yahoo's next update.
I was reading on some other forums about sites supposedly being punished for having adsense.
But, if it is a case of being penalized for having adsense, then I'm confused for two reasons:
1. My page count fell from 900+ pages to 86, and that's from having adsense on ONE page! Don't know what would have happened if I had it on more.
2. Being penalized for having adsense seems counter productive to me, since that's how the SE's make money...!
Anyway, I took off adsense now. Let's see what happens. Sigh...
My page count fell from 900+ pages to 86, and that's from having adsense on ONE page!
No, no, no. Stop reading whatever forum you're reading as that is just plain ignorant speculation with absolutely ZERO basis in reality. That theory has been thoroughly debunked many times over.
That assertion is the poster boy for tin hat theories.
However, since July I am using Adsense and my traffic from Yahoo has declined significantly. Before than most of my traffic was coming from yahoo and minimally from Google. Now it's the opposite.
If I were Yahoo, I would not do this.
in these times where adsense has become associated with spam...is it not feasable that an element of adsense filtering is added to the serps?....not simply cutting you if you have it but looking at how it is asscoiated with other factors....they already do this for other elements...
Well personally I think my point of when I do a search Yahoo can pretty much find what I want is the single most important point.
For the people who are experiencing page count drops it might be worth holding off making changes for a couple of days. Each update Yahoo seems to drop pages only for them to return after a couple of days - seems to be part of the update process - check older update threads.
1. Huge number of pages (they are all very large sites)
2. Relatively superficial information about most travel keywords.
These generalist sites typically just scratch the surface compared to the best sites that specialize in a single geographic locatio.
IMO the ideal SERPs would include a mixture of both types of sites, but mostly they would focus on hard-to-find sites that contain the best, most detailed information about that specific location.
Yahoo's new SERPs provide too many results from generalist/superficial sites, and not enough results from specialist sites with deep content -- at least with respect to the geographic location or travel destinations I've spot checked.
Wiki and About may make Yahoo's own content look OK by comparison, but the repetitive/superficial nature of these results make Y! search look bad in comparison with Google (not to mention all the pure spam that has now bubbled to Yahoo's top 20 and is nowhere to be seen in Google's top 1000).
Although I have to agree that the results are pretty bad. The top result for my main keywords is a site with hidden text. To be fair though, this page also shows up on page two for the same search phrase on google...
Still a ways to go all around in my opinion.
Indexing is great - now showing about 850 of 1,000 page - up from nearly zero.
I don't know what people are complaining about. In my niche all sites before and at least one pages after mine are relevant and high quality. Not a single MFA site spottedI don't think anyone is complaining about MFAs in the traditional sense. It is the sites with tons of breadth but little depth that people are complaining about. In my niche you can't swing a dead cat without hitting an about.com site at least 4 times in the first 20 results. In fact, a perfect example is the about.com return for 'swing a dead cat'. what do you get? An answer telling you the phrase has no meaning. Now count the ads on the page (the majority of which are adsense).
Fortunately, if I lost that bet you would owe me money. :-)
and lots of ads for lawyers, acne, and tutoring
Which is exactly my point. They provide superficial content about everything, quality depth about very little. And that's what this update seems to be favoring.
yahoo, in my opinion, loves a site with lots of links and a huge no. of pages.
Yahoo loves huge no of pages that have content on them, as per their guidelines. They don't like "machine generated" pages that are nothing more than keyword landing pages. Problem is that I had a lot of these kind of pages on my site. I've since turned them off, so let's see what happens.
One interesting thing is that even though my page count is now < 70 pages from a high of 1,700 pages, I still get visited by Slurp looking for real pages, not just robots.txt. Hopefully, they're going to reindex a lot of my pages.....
joined:June 11, 2005
I also noticed that my 3 complimentary sites are moving up also. About 6 months ago I split my servers up (bandwidth charges were getting too much) and now run 3 sites with totally different content on each. However, each site offers links to more local info from our sister sites. I only mention this because we have never got good results on Yahoo until now and maybe this has something to do with it. None of the pages have SEO except for title tags for each page.
Best of Luck All
Once again, seem to be missing a lot of the best high level sub pages in many categories. Could just be me, but it seems that they're doing a lot better with the one and two word searches and homepages, than they are with the longer tail stuff and subpages.
Part of the problem seems to be a move from an over reliance on onpage factors, to an over reliance on IBL's. Somewhere in the middle would have been good. ;-)
joined:June 11, 2005
I guess it is. I'm only using #*$!'s webrank tool to check these things ... I guess it may be a fake. But anyway, it certainly gave me hope that my relatively non-seo pages can still get picked up.
Of course I check today and I'm back to normal, but as with google pr ... a sudden peak can be signs of good things to come. Fingers crossed.
All the best
joined:May 31, 2004
Yahoo? seems to copy many old methods so does MSN.
Anyone get better sales from Yahoo or MSN compaired to Gooooogle? Not me. Go Goo!
In context it looks like this:
"Yahoo's recent downdate resulted in new and scary things, such as the appearance of alisting with this URL in the top 10 for a query which returns 7,000,000 reults:
WOW! Downdating the search index at its finest. Keep sucking up those flagrant redirects, ASP and JSP pages with no mercy boys, and keep pushing real sites down low...real low."
I think its fair to say that Yahoo threw in the towel as far as search is concerned, and are busy launching new toys like the totally useless troll-ridden Yahoo Answers, and all other paraphenelia to lock in users who will brainlessly click on some ad eventually.
At the end of the day folks, this is a money game, and resources are allocated to the places where money is made. That is why Yahoo has more internal links in the first one inch of their SERPs than actual links to the 10 crappy sites they list, and that is why the entire page is 95% Yahoo jusn and shortcuts and ads, and 5% search results (which are there merely symbolically if you ask me)
Frankly, if they removed the results, and just left the rest of the junk, the only people who would notice are the thousands of webmasters on this site. A few minutes later Yahoo would launch their "Just Log In and Click our Ads API" with a huge dung-eating PR grin.
Before you could search and learn and buy if you wanted to, now you turn on your computer and your bombarded with ads, ads, ads and yes, more ads. And when you get through those, there is more ads.
Im sure internet usage is just going to plumet eventually. Investors will be left holding the bag again.
Who would watch TV if there were 30 mins of ads for commercials, and the actual show sucked? Not me.
joined:June 11, 2005
Anyone else seeing this?
About a week ago, I went from 900 pages indexed to 69. At about the same time, I started seeing "Yahoo Slurp" entries in my log files with new IP addresses (66.196.91.*). Yahoo kept picking up 40-50 files a day.
About 2 days ago, I suddenly started ranking in the top 10 for a fairly competitive keyword in my space. Now, my page count has gone up to 86...
Hopefully, this is the beginning of a new relationship with Yahoo.