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Update Tim - Yahoo Update

Noticing changes across the board for a number of industries

   
5:36 pm on Apr 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Some pretty signficant changes across the board. Doesn't seem much of an improvement in most of the sectors i've checked so far.

Definitely some jumps though, still trying to determine what factors may be more/less at play.

12:06 am on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Why is it that both Yahoo and Google (not sure about MSN) are so niave when it comes to
SUB DOMAINS
I am so sick of Sub domains taking over search. KEYWORD.DOMAIN.COM or KEYWORD-KEYWORD.DOMAIN.com and the Domain can be replaced with things that have NOTHING to do with the sub domain but the domain has high PR.

WAKE UP YAHOO! The results are horrible. I think A9.com has better results LOL.

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[edited by: martinibuster at 12:39 am (utc) on April 2, 2005]
[edit reason] Please: NO SPECIFICS. Thanks. :) [/edit]

12:09 am on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ah wow.. this could be why I saw a spike today from Yahoo!

I'm glad to see Yahoo! still working... And I will censor the rest of this statement since google can kick anyone out of adsense for saying bad things about them...

12:11 am on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Not sure if it's been seen here regarding the update:
[ysearchblog.com...]
12:49 am on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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hi everyone.

just like everyone else, my niche showed major changes with the update.

so here's my question: how often does a major yahoo update happen?

my site (started in dec '04) is one of those "new" sites included in the SERPs - i'm ecstatic. i hadn't ranked for diddly (my best was on the 90th page of a three keyword search that improved to the 3rd page after the update. i'm on the first page for other competitive three keyword phrases, but there are a couple of two keyword phrases that i'm hoping for.

but now i'm also curious - as links are collected and content is built, will i see fluctuations in yahoo before the next major update... or will i have to wait until the next update?

anyways, i'm really happy with the update. hope everyone else is on the otherside - where the grass is greener - also.

subbu.

12:59 am on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Awesome update! My sites are jamming! Anchor text seems to give me great and fast success with Yahoo.
1:34 am on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's good to se Yahoo updating. When was the last update? It seems it has been a while.
1:37 am on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Just vast amounts of spam in this update.

Yahoo seems to get the ultra competitive pretty good, with the occasional anchor bomb site tossed in.

They also seem to do ok in the semi competitive, the areas where the spammers aren't targetting as much.

Where they fail miserably is any area with $1000/mo or more for a top spot. The spam just overwhelms any decent sites.

2:03 am on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Two of my sites dropped a lot in indexed pages. one from 2000 - 200, the other from 800-150. Anyone has the same experiences?

yep here. one of my sites droped from 800+ pages to 55! splendid update :-) I checked the logs and it seems mister Slurp had consumed a healthy 170 MB bandwidth on March 29th!

>runs to light some candles<

3:42 am on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Is it me or does it seem like a lot of the top positions 'happen' to be in the directory as well?
3:44 am on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think it's great to see Yahoo add more content to the results. Previously Yahoo seemed to focus mainly on the top level page, virtually ignoring content in deeper pages.
3:44 am on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's stillupdating. Isn't it?
4:05 am on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My little site had 300 or so pages in the index (checked yesterday) today we have an amazing 7. :(

And we dropped from a slowly climbing 80 to 207 almost instantly.....

Also, dropped in ranks on Y on the day they added my site to their directory (2 weeks ago). They are now using their directory listing of my site as the search result listing instead of my actual site info. They have the site title listed as domain.com instead of our actual site title, and our decription is now the tiny little one line description the directory gave us. So when people search it is not taking our name or keywords into account, just the directory listing info...

Kind of feel like I paid $299 to get dropped from the listings.....

7:00 am on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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nice update! from 400+ to top 30 in my primary keyword.
7:41 am on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Very good! Let me guess. You did NOT pay the $299, right?
8:22 am on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Interesting Update - losing lots of pages!

However, Yahoo does dance a bit so will leave this to settle for a while.

Algo change perhaps - not an update (an un-update - lets drop lots of pages)

Perhaps others are seeing differently.

8:50 am on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Slipped a few places with some terms but Im up on a lot more. For me this is great news.
11:10 am on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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> I am so sick of Sub domains taking over search. KEYWORD.DOMAIN.COM

Oh my, what have Yahoo done - highly competitive generic terms in my industry are now full of spammy sites and naff sub domains. On a whole range of keywords the number one slot is a templated sub-domain (different one each time.)

Google must be rubbing their hands with glee - surfers will switch away from Yahoo faster than a speeding bullet as soon as they realise how poor these search results are.

12:12 pm on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)



Good grief, what a load of garbage, what have they done gone back a year or two?

I'm still well up there on the first page however some keyword terms have brought in some of the spammiest scraper sites I have ever seen and then some with a single image only with a two or three word description and nothing else!

Definitely no progress and Google need not worry if this is the best Yahoo! can do.

12:50 pm on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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im seeing something much better. In my sector which is a high commercial sector with many sites in it 20mil+, the SERPs results are now very good.

Doorway page, keyword stuffed sites are out and some quality deep rich content sites are in. I like it!

The new algo is certainly removing a hell of a lot of spam if you ask me.

The results are currently much better than google

1:20 pm on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The sectors I follow are much better too. Much cleaner.
1:31 pm on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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> im seeing something much better... the SERPs results are now very good.

It's weird isn't it that some sectors are fine and others are completely screwed.

My industry is very competitive, 38 million+ sites, my site is first page for most terms but many other results really are just absolute garbage.

Searching for the number one generic phrase (i.e. the actual product) in the industry, in UK, gives 13 million results and the top result is a Hong Kong web site that doesn't sell the generic product but does sell accessories for it!?!?!

The next result is a templated white label site selling insurance for this product, the next sells games for the generic product, the fourth is another Hong Kong site. None of these sell or have any information on the product/search term itself.

Anyone using Yahoo to search in my industry would simply think Yahoo was broke and who could blame them.

Google isn't perfect, for some bizarre reason the number one result just recently is a UK government site that has no mention of the product, however the rest of the results are exactly what you'd want if you were searching for this product.

All very strange.

1:32 pm on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Anyone seeing what has changed with this update? or is the update still updating?

I do not see anything that proves directory sites got a bump. I also do not see anything with sites running adsense hurting rankings.

4:17 pm on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I appreciate the respect Yahoo is showing to community by formally communicating.

My Q is any ballpark schedule for Algo updates?
e.g. end of every other month for algo and rolling for changes to sites/inbounds?

Or no change from the previous "kinda mix of everything"?

5:35 pm on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Has anyone noticed that the cache has disappeared off a lot of the remaining pages? Also it looks like site directory index pages are hanging in but a very many of the the .html file pages are MIA on many sites.
5:45 pm on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I guess I shouldn't have been complaining about Slurp being so busy on my sites the past few months... For the first time in years I am getting a significant amount of traffic from Yahoo. YeeHaa!
6:48 pm on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Good: Yahoo finally updated. They need to update more often.

Bad: The new results are worse in the fields I monitor. And I don't just mean my sites have fallen. Competing sites I respect have fallen and junk rules.

I am so sick of Sub domains taking over search. KEYWORD.DOMAIN.COM

Yes, I noticed that too. And some of those sites are really horrible but they show up in the first two pages of SERPs.

7:43 pm on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This is pretty good. My main site now has 200,000 backlinks to just the main page in Yahoo! Amazing!

Edit: Nevermind, now it's 110,000. Still!

7:59 pm on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I seem to have even less pages indexed than earlier today.

Shame Yahoo - you were doing slightly better over the last 2-3 months.

9:01 pm on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Two of my sites dropped a lot in indexed pages. one from 2000 - 200, the other from 800-150. Anyone has the same experiences?

One of mine went from over 900 indexed pages to 41.

My backlinks have updated now though, 2300 up from a few hundred. Most of the terms I previously ranked #1/#2 for have been replaced by spam sites, though I still appear on page 1 for most of them.

I find this surprising, Yahoo has been pretty good for the last few months. MSN search seems to be returning the best results for me these days.

10:20 pm on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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A new site that I launched a couple months ago want straight to #1 in Yahoo! this update for the main phrase (albeit lightly competitive). It's just a small hobbyist thing but I paid close attention to titles, headers meta tags, internal links and keywords. I even tried to theme it a bit – although there’s only so much you can do with five pages. It only has a few incoming links but they’re good ones. The site has been indexed by G but is nowhere to be seen in their SERPs, eg. is not in the top 100. Just shows to go you (or me at least) what importance G puts on those incoming links.
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