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With Yahoo generally the trouble lies in linking, i.e. a preponderance of interlinking for the sites you have listed on your "links" pages.
First thing to do is e-mail them and ask for the site to be reviewed, you need to be sure you have in fact been penalized. It's possible it could be something else all together.
Good luck, if you are penalized it will be up to human editors to let you back in.
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There's is thousands of conflicting reasoning for the why thousands of good web sites have dissapeared from yahoo, I don't have any idea myself, only the believe (and hope) that yahoo slurp is broken and nobody knows how to fix it.
Good luck all
joined:Dec 29, 2003
I don't get the issue with cross linking. If I run a site that is concerned with UK widgets and another that is concerned with USA widgets why shouldn't I cross link. This is not detremental to the user so what is the motive for penalising such sites.
Also, only one of my sites have been dumped, ironically the oldest and most successful.
Can someone give me a definition of what is meant by cross-linking.
Another thing I read recently is Yahoo have been working on a duplicate filter. Anybody heard anything abouth this?
I don't get the issue with cross linking. If I run a site that is concerned with UK widgets and another that is concerned with USA widgets why shouldn't I cross link.
correct. Only if you were looking for excuses to remove competition would you ban a site for this. Search engines only concerned with a fair algo simply ignore the benefit it gives to ranking. Of course if you simply were not up to speck technically then you may choose to ban rather than allow to gain benefit. However, it clearly has many legitimate reasons to be used.
One guy's got 2 sites where every page links not only to itself but to the other site using a series of over 48 keyword stuffed URL text links at the bottom of every page. Then under that he has over half a page of hidden text, including variations on the keywords in sets of 20 all the way down the page - all hidden of course. The other has multiple doorway pages all with keyword stuffed URLS. Between the 2 of them they take up almost all of the first and second pages despite the fact that there are a slew of better competitors. This is all Illegal SEO 101 and yet they've gotten away with it for over 2 years.
I've pointed this out to a Yahoo customer care person as well as someone at Overture and nobody cares (althought they were shocked when they saw the source code). They've lost tens of thousands of dollars because many of us stopped advertising or using SiteMatch simply because there is no way to compete against these spammy techniques.
Perhaps it was related to 2 of my pure content sites all of a sudden jumping onto the 1st page of the serp results on both search engines.
Or it might be related to my site being down for a most of a day around that time.
Since then pages have slowly started to come back. Msn showed a high of 2000+ today but right now is down to 4. Yahoo showed ~220 today (back down to 22 at last glance)
It doesn't seem to be a ban since the pages are coming back and the number of pages in the index seems to be really jumping around.
My hosting accounts use cpanel. In the cpanel there is an ip deny manager feature. I looked at the ip deny manager page, and someone had set the ipdeny to "deny all". This effectively denied slurp from accessing my server. Because slurp could not visit my server, slurp came to the conclusion that the pages and domain no longer were live, and my domain and listings were removed from the index automatically.
After fixing the ipdeny and removing the "deny all" setting, slurp was able to come back and spider my sites. Only the index pages have returned on yahoo thus far.
After reviewing my logs, it seems that slurp is not going any deeper than the index page even though my index links to other pages on my site, includng the sitemap.
Here is a snippet of my logs from the last slurp visit.
22.214.171.124 - - [xx/Dec/2004:18:21:34 -0500] "GET /robots.txt HTTP/1.0" 302 0 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Yahoo! Slurp; [help.yahoo.com...]
126.96.36.199 - - [xx/Dec/2004:18:21:34 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 9463 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Yahoo! Slurp; [help.yahoo.com...]
188.8.131.52 - - [xx/Dec/2004:18:21:43 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 304 - "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Yahoo! Slurp; [help.yahoo.com...]
Notice that there were 3 visits. First visit goes for the robots.txt . Second visit immediately gets the index page. Third visit comes from a different ip address and there is a code 304 (not modified). It stops at the index page and goes no further.
On another domain that was affected by the ip deny manager hacker... my log shows the following:
184.108.40.206 - - [xx/Dec/2004:08:21:26 -0500] "GET /robots.txt HTTP/1.0" 302 0 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Yahoo! Slurp; [help.yahoo.com...]
220.127.116.11 - - [xx/Dec/2004:08:21:27 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 9564 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Yahoo! Slurp; [help.yahoo.com...]
18.104.22.168 - - [xx/Dec/2004:08:21:27 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 9564 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Yahoo! Slurp; [help.yahoo.com...]
Basically the same thing happened here. First visit goes for the robots.txt, second visit pulls the index page, third visit from a different ip address that pulls the index page.
Again, it stops at the index page and goes no further.
Who ever hacked into my server and got in my cpanel sure did a number on me and basically ruined my businesses.
If you have a cpanel for your hosting accounts, I suggest you log in and check the ip deny feature and see if the setting has been modified to "deny all". If so, that is the reason your listings disappeared from yahoo... and not because your site was penalized.
As I find out more info, I will share it.
If you find out that your cpanel was hacked too and that the ip deny feature was set to "deny all", please make a post here and let me know. It will verify that the info I shared is valid.
Note: My other domains with cpanels that were not hacked continue to have yahoo listings. Only the domains I have where the ip deny manager setting was set to "deny all" lost all listings on yahoo.
“To see if your site or page is listed in the Yahoo! Search Index, enter an identifiable phrase (5-10 words) in quotes, that matches the title or text on the web page you are looking for into the Yahoo! Search box located here [search.yahoo.com...] If your site appears in the results, it's listed in the Yahoo! Search Index, and you don't need to complete a feedback form as your request will not be processed.”
So I do this and check on a few sites that I know were removed from the start when they switched over from Google. (we still have absolutely no idea why they were removed, but thats another story) I copy the title of the site, as they suggest, and lo and behold there is the site. I then check the results and cannot find the sites for their main key words in the first 1,000 results. I Gave up after that many.
So, what to do now; the sites in, but clearly there is a penalty applied. At least befor you could beg for re-inclusion, now what can you say? “I don’t like my placement?” . Guess they solved the, "my sites been removed" problem.
I like Yahoo, just wish I could get more of my sites back in!
Anyone else with this experience?