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I will preempt WG's request for me to talk about 301s and 302s in Yahoo Search - I will cover that...
Please sticky me or reply below. Looking forward to seeing everyone in Vegas.
Related to the 301 issue is Yahoo's handling of meta refresh tags. Some of us had (or still have) ISP's that don't offer the ability to alter server behavior. If we move our site, our only option for directing folks to the new location is meta refreshing. It sure would be nice if Yahoo would recognize that the site had moved and replace the old URL with the new one. (In my case it kept the old URLs and cached the new pages as if they were located in the old spot -- at least until I turned off the old domain altogether.)
Also, could you speak about Yahoo's update cycle? There has been some recent speculation in this forum.
1) If you particpate in SiteMatch for your main domain, but not sub-pages, will that stop the free spider from spidering the rest of your pages and listing them?
2) Does Yahoo search consider a listing in Yahoo Directory results to boost rankings? If not, are there any plans to do this? I would think it will be to Yahoo's benefit to do this as far as listing quality sites and also giving incentive for people to order a listing in Yahoo directory.
3) Could you talk a little about what Yahoo currently considers spam and any new spam criteria that have been added to Yahoo filters as of late...anything new since last PubCon.
Thanks and see you next week :)
2) Pure redirects currently do very well on Yahoo search. Do you think Yahoo will soon be making progress removing most of these from its serps?
3) Slurp is a poor bot. It can visit a (non-index) page many times but never, ever crawl through links. This means Yahoo virtually never indexes a domain, even as small as 100 pages, as well as Google normally will within a week. Both Google and MSNbot are vastly superior to Slurp in terms of both freshness of crawl and depth of crawl, making it appear that Yahoo devotes 1% of the resources to crawling that the competitors do. Is yahoo working on devloping a next generation bot to replace Slurp? And, if not, why not?
4) How long is a piece of string?
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* Improved redirect handling launched Thursday night
* Many sites will see improvements in the next few days.
All sites should be handled by the new rules within 30 days.
* Redirects from one domain to another will index the “target” rather than the “source.”
* Meta Redirects:
... >1sec. treated as 301s
... <1sec. treated as 302s
YST assigns connectivity and anchor text to maximize results relevance, and reduce spamming.
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:) I can happily report that my meta-redirected page is now being handled logically. Until the last few days, Yahoo! would report the URL of my old site, but index and cache the information at the new site.
I noticed in the PP presentations the url's are incorrect for their own Yahoo help sections. We can hurt your business but excuse our own slackness. I certainly wouldn't fly to Las Vegas to see a presentation like that.
No mention of the problems related to old Inktomi customers being banned
Not true. Tim did address that topic in Vegas when he was going over slide #18. "Approach to Spam"
On that slide they mention that they are "moving to a more inclusive content policy" and that their "spam approach is changing as the focus on comprehensiveness."
Translation: Old Ink penalties are being reviewed on a regular basis, and many of them are infact being removed.
I have personally seen dozens of examples of this taking place. Obviously, it will never happen as fast as some in this forum would like, but it is happening.
My site is finally doing wonderfully in Yahoo though with only a few clicks attributed to PFI. Will my site disappear after my Lycos and Positiontech accounts expire?
That's a big jump in reasoning to infer they’re going to do something about the Inktomi problems now. I said in a post in March that come 2005 the same Inktomi problems would still be in existence. So far that seems very true.
i know you heard it first hand but from the quote you gave how do you interpret that as applying to ink penalties? Even further that penalty means dropping paid inclusion with INK. It has always been denied that doing that in itself incurred a penalty.
i know you heard it first hand but from the quote you gave how do you interpret that as applying to ink penalties?
The quote was from the talking points on the slide. My interpretation came from
A) Tim's comments while talking about that slide, and
B) My personal observations of several sites that did in fact have old Ink penalties and now have returned to the database.
your examples...were they sites that believed they got hit with penalties for doing nothing other than dropping paid exclusion?
its a shame i never heard this for myself but reading that slide and what it says..it could mean just about anything....
Yahoo personnel has been given ample opportunity over the months to dispute that in any forum. Again I don’t think they will because many of the penalties effecting all sites are not listed in the Yahoo guidelines. I could accept a straight answer that we are having considerable problems with our search technology rather than leading people to believe people they are guilty of things they are not. Plus I don’t believe the vast majority of people are engaged in prolific campaigns to spam. You have to produce a lot of pages to convince me of that.