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Yahoo Cloaking Their Own Pages

         

mbennie

3:02 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yesterday I happened to do a search on Yahoo for a popular attraction in a specific city.

In the top 10 of the serps was Yahoo's own listing.

"<Attraction Name> <City> at Yahoo Travel"
<Attraction Name> and other <City> entertainment in the Yahoo Travel Directory.

When I clicked the link I was redirected to the main Yahoo travel page where I could, of course, book travel to this particular city.

I was curious and went back to the serps. No cached page. Couldn't believe that Yahoo would spam their own engine in such a way and clicked the link again. Same thing.

How can any Webmaster compete in an environment like this? How can Yahoo be trusted anymore?

edit_g

2:16 pm on Apr 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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[double post, sorry]

soapystar

2:57 pm on Apr 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Quite right. The Yahoo product says search the web. It doesnt say search our index with many sites excluded that do too well with our algo. Also find more sites on top that paid for inclusion due to the way we have setup sitematch. Also please use the links that appear at the very top because these are our very own affiliate links that have nothing to do with relevance relative to the other results. Microsoft has just been fined $600,000,000 for excluding other software produces from being part of their os at the consumer end, or allowing them the source code to produce comparable software. If your product dominates a market you cannot simply exclude your competiton. This is the problem with Yahoo, their products compete directly with those being searched for and are being pushed to the top of the tree. They have a responsibilty and to date they declined to recognise that.

mbennie

3:24 pm on Apr 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yahoo doesn't owe anyone a listing in their search engine.

However, they owe their users and webmasters fair and impartial guidelines that are enforced across the entire internet. Instead of this they are hand editing a small percentage of sites and enforcing their guidelines subjectively.

The difference between G and Y is that G's guidelines are enforced algorithmically and evenly across the entire web. Y has a room full of human editors reviewing a handful of sites. Their guidelines are so vague as to potentially exclude every single site from the index.

When some 30K/year recent college grad working for Yahoo either has a bad day, doesn't like your site, or doesn't understand the guidelines you run the risk of having your business cut off at the knees while your competition thrives.

Yahoo owes fairness, not inclusion.

helenp

3:36 pm on Apr 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yahoo doesn't owe anyone a listing in their search engine.

I do think so, if yahoo wants to be a good search enging.
Actually, my way of understanding the words search the web, and I supose most of normal web users, that donīt understand anything about how yahoo or google can give the information to users, understand as: search all websites on the web. And of course most normal people donīt know yahoo used google before.

For exampel if you as an user search for an company you used last year, but donīt remember the url of the company, if you type that company name as an user you should find it, even if itīs been penalized.
Necesarry spammy sites musnīt meen bad companys.....
Penalizings should only bee for keywords.

IITian

3:38 pm on Apr 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>Yahoo doesn't owe anyone a listing in their search engine.

I think they do unless there are some especial circumstances. Since it promises to give us the most relevant search results it is not supposed to slant the results to less relevant results for its financial agenda.

Suppose someone types in famous "brandx", one would expect brandx site to be presented soemwhere near the top. If instead, Yahoo went ahead and removed brandx from its index arbitrarily because it refused to pay a large ransom amount and instead searchers find Yahoo's affiliates selling brandx products, I think brandx has a case and so do the searchers.

However, if Yahoo clarly stated on its search page that it is going to show manually-edited results to help its business partners and might not even show sites who refuse to pay, nobody is going to object.

<added>
[search.yahoo.com...]

"most relevant results"

</added>

Imaster

9:27 pm on Apr 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Regarding Google competing with other sites,

Does Google have its yellow pages content?
Gogal Local

Tim

1:38 am on Apr 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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mbennie,
We are striving to be fair. I agree with most of what you are saying. We are working to make our guidelines clearer and implementing processes to be more even handed across sites on the web.
Tim

steveb

3:30 am on Apr 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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There is nothing wrong with human editors. That is a good idea.

The vast majority of Yahoo's current screwups are the result of a lunkheaded technology problem, which I believe we are about to see a solution to.

There are a lot of people here being mislead that they have been hand penalized when that is not the case.

Kirby

4:45 am on Apr 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I hope you are right Steve.

buckworks

5:10 am on Apr 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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implementing processes to be more even handed across sites on the web.

That would be progress, because some of what we're seeing now is pretty capricious.

soapystar

8:01 am on Apr 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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There are a lot of people here being mislead that they have been hand penalized when that is not the case.

would be interested to hear how you come to that conclusion. Email replies from Yahoo stating EDITORIAL PENALTY and constant postings by Tim and Yahoo_mike suggesting hand penalties would seem to indicate otherwise.

steveb

10:50 am on Apr 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Some people have been hand penalized (longstanding issue usually), but the symptons the majority of people report more often suggest the recent "backwards redirect" stuff. These are not the same.

I hate to generalize, but there is another thread started on the same idea so... if your whole domain is completely absent, think hand penalty. If your main page plus possibly a few pages are missing, think "redirect glitch" (which should be fixed soon).

soapystar

11:04 am on Apr 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Steveb

My site is 90% indexed in Yahoo but ive been told it has an editorial penalty by Yahoo so wont show for a search of anything. So this doesnt seem to tally with what you are saying. I can pull some sub pages with a title search which brings them up around 5 or 6 froma few hundred results but thats it. The only consistent thing i can see for a penalty is the spidering many times daily of the robots.txt and then leaving without taking anything else.

steveb

11:14 am on Apr 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yours is the first example. I suppose I didn't explain it enough. I meant pages on your domain don't rank well for anything except exact text searches. A domain-wide phenomenon.

On the other hand, many people are seeing a page-centered problem (usually the main page) where interior pages will rank just fine. The folks with the page-centered problem are experiencing something different than you are.

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