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$299 with no guarantee that your site will be listed?

They are joking, right?

         

dmorison

11:22 am on Jun 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I don't mind paying a nominal fee for review, and then the balance if the site is accepted but hell will freeze over before I pay Yahoo! $299 with no guarantee of inclusion.

Am I the only person who thinks this way?

worker

11:31 am on Jun 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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No, you are not the only person. I have several sites, and I would probably add all of them into Yahoo, if it wasn't for that issue.

I don't mind paying $300 for inclusion in their directory, but I'm not going to gamble.

They should offer to refund $270 of the $300 if they do not include a site, along with a very detailed reason on why a site is not being included. This would allow the site to make corrections and submit again.

They could easily outgrow DMOZ if they were to make a few changes to their process.

Macguru

11:44 am on Jun 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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No you are not the only person. But meeting their criteria ain't that difficult... Plus, they allow some time to fix the site if it got initially rejected.

IMHO, any site properly working with NN4, having contact info from the home page, sufficient content *not* dealing with illegal topics will make it.

Of course, this does not help them.

tigger

11:47 am on Jun 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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So far I've submitted over 40+ sites to Yahoo using the paid route and I've never had a site rejected and I'm just about to submit another one having to pay the higher fee of £450 as it has some adult content

biggles

11:50 am on Jun 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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tigger - out of interest why are you still paying to get into the Yahoo directory when their default results are from Google?

Is it for PR and/or insurance for when they drop Google?

tigger

11:53 am on Jun 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Is it for PR and/or insurance for when they drop Google?

Yes to both, as so far I've no success with Inktomi

Macguru

11:55 am on Jun 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>Is it for PR and/or insurance for when they drop Google?

It's both for me, plus :

I get about 8 % of Y! traffic from it's directory (yes, visitors that actually browse the directory! ). Also, you *could* get more chances with free Inktomi in a near future...

<added>tigger beat me!</added>

dmorison

12:15 pm on Jun 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Plus, they allow some time to fix the site if it got initially rejected.

This is encouraging - so it is not exactly a case of take your money and run; they will open a dialog with you and explain why your site was rejected, and that they'll include if you fix X,Y and Z?

Macguru

12:36 pm on Jun 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes, if your site gets rejected, some business express editor will email you to explain why. Then you have someting like 30 days to make changes to the site, but only one chance of appeal, so you must get it right on this second chance *only*.

I have submitted more than 600 sites to Y! biz express and none got rejected.

ncsuk

12:40 pm on Jun 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Anyone else noticed Yahoo UK'S fantastic PR 0?

Macguru

12:41 pm on Jun 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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ncsuk,

Your toolbar is broken, hit it with a hammer. If Page Rank obsess you so much, at least, try to page you are applying to.

[edited by: Macguru at 12:44 pm (utc) on June 3, 2003]

ncsuk

12:44 pm on Jun 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well every other site is working. Its been PR 0 for about a week and a half.

Macguru

12:48 pm on Jun 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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ncsuk,

I refrain to look at the toolbar this month. It worts nothing. Can we go back on topic now?

ncsuk

12:52 pm on Jun 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Okay

I never have and never will pay the $299 to get a site listing in the Yahoo Directory as you can get in it without paying.

It only takes a month extra and there is no way I would pay that amount of money for the sake of a month.

topr8

12:53 pm on Jun 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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on this topic - any ideas how many pages are required to constitute a passable site.

i've always found it worth while but only ever submitted 'large sites'

would 10/12 pages of unique content pass (on average)

Macguru

1:00 pm on Jun 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>would 10/12 pages of unique content pass (on average)

Hi topr8,

No, I dont think it will be sufficient content (on average). But it depends on topics. I suggest you visit the competition in the same category to evaluate this. (No, not to copy their pages... ;) )

<added> If you need some inspiration to add content, here is a great thread about it :
[webmasterworld.com...]

4eyes summarised it pretty well on message 18... </added>

rogerd

1:22 pm on Jun 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My guess is that 10-12 pages of good content could get listed without much of a problem. I have listed sites that small, though not lately. Imagine a small company site - an about page, services, contact info, locations, resources, and a few more as needed... it could be quite a complete little site, and all the company needs. It would surely get listed.

It may depend on the editor, of course, as well as the topic. A 10 page site in a category where most sites have hundreds of pages may seem puny. But I've never had a site rejected for ANY reason. Then again, I've not submitted sites chock-full of affiliate links and the like, and all sites have had reasonable design values.

topr8

1:54 pm on Jun 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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good link on content there! thanks.

this site has no affiliate stuff so i think i'll wing it, theres a couple of pretty small ones in the cat - and just be prepared to do a few late nights of content building if i have to appeal.

2_much

7:29 pm on Jun 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I haven't paid for a submission in about a year.

I've submitted some sites for free and they've gotten listed. A few are getting very good traffic.

So it really depends on what category you're submitting to.

webconnoisseur

3:24 am on Jun 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It's been quite some time since I submitted, but I was rejected then appealed with business express. The editor complained that another site we owned (with unrelated content) linked to the site. I removed all the links to the site and complained. Then when it was accepted, I added the links back. Totaly ridiculous.

Things may have changed by now. I've noticed a lot of really crummy sites being added to the directory lately.

smassa

8:19 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Can anyone estimate how long it takes for Yahoo to pick up the site w/o doing the Express listing? Also any ideas on doing the Express listing after you loose your patience with the wait?

2_much

3:39 am on Jun 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Free submission can take anywhere between 10 days and never.

If you lose your patience, try using BizEx. Just make sure your site has some unique content and you should be able to get listed.

Good luck.

fathom

4:02 am on Jun 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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So far I've submitted over 40+ sites to Yahoo using the paid route and I've never had a site rejected and I'm just about to submit another one having to pay the higher fee of £450 as it has some adult content

And this is true for almost all sites.

If however, you had a website about something illegal, character defamation, false advertisement (known scams), etc. - Yahoo will gladly take you money to preview the content but the site would not meet their listing policies, and therefore no listing.

jaski

4:35 am on Jun 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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So it really depends on what category you're submitting to.

Has any one succeded in getting an e-com site listed for free in last one year or so?

misja

3:28 pm on Jun 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Has any one succeded in getting an e-com site listed for free in last one year or so?

That's not possible, you can only get a paid listing in the Business section.

DXL

5:41 am on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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So far I haven't submitted any of my client's site to Yahoo through the paid inclusion. I live in relatively large city, though not as big as Houston, Miami, Chicago. Many of my clients trying to promote a particular service aren't really reaching outside of the city for new clients. If someone searches for "Widget Repair" along with the name of our city or state they often get my client in the top 3 results (considering its a very narrow search).

My big name clients who are music artists or entertainers don't have to worry because their site's are not commercial in nature (they always are the #1 result for a search of their name 2 months after site launch). However, I'm starting to get law firms and consulting groups that want to be found by anyone in the country. I've read some discouraging things about Overture in the other forum, I'm guessing I don't have a choice but to get my clients to pay the $299 inclusion.

Somebody field this for me; If my site is meta tagged well, paying the $299 inclusion still doesn't affect the ranking on yahoo? I don't want to charge an additional $300 to a client only to find out they are stuffed on the fifth page of a list of results for "Lawyers StateName"

coconutz

6:59 am on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>Has any one succeded in getting an e-com site listed for free in last one year or so?

Yes, this past February. And others here have also had some luck.

>>That's not possible, you can only get a paid listing in the Business section.

Regional directories still offer the Standard Submit option for commercial categories. ;)

Glassman

12:51 pm on Jun 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Say I have this site, mydomain.com

I have not paid Yahoo a penny so far.

I search for 'my domain' or 'mydomain' and mydomain.com shows in the results. Is this 'getting in for free'? I am in google of course, so what's the benefit of paying Yahoo?

trillianjedi

12:54 pm on Jun 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I search for 'my domain' or 'mydomain' and mydomain.com shows in the results. Is this 'getting in for free'? I am in google of course, so what's the benefit of paying Yahoo?

The thread relates to Yahoo! Directory, not Yahoo! search (which is powered by google).

There are many benefits of being in Yahoo! Directory (as there are for dmoz etc).

TJ

TimmyMagic

2:24 pm on Jun 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yahoo is not the force it was in'97. Google is now king, so I don't see why people pay $299 for inclusion. My website is doing okay and out of principle I don't want to pay for yahoo.

It will never happen but people should boycott yahoo and then see them change tactic. I think they're just being greedy.

RIP Yahoo.

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