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Datacenter Watch: 2006-06-28

     

Dayo_UK

8:28 am on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Wow - this looks like a major major screw up by Google this time (lol yet again)

It is almost as if the allinanchor, allintitle and therefore other serps have been turned off for 2-3 word searches in the sector I watch.

Worst results yet. Someone said reverted back to results/algo/scoring prior to or at the beginning of Big Daddy - this could fit in with what I am seeing.

[edited by: tedster at 2:55 pm (utc) on June 28, 2006]

tigger

8:28 am on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>someone tell me how i get the ip address of the data centre displaying results

I thought it was a case of putting your mouse over the cached info on the serps and the IP is shown in the bottom of the browser?

kaybarella

8:34 am on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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wheelie34 - you star!

tigger - that shows the ip of the link (ie the cached page)

tigger

8:40 am on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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thanks kaybarella I'll try the other way

phantombookman

8:46 am on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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72.14.207.104

Excellent results, all missing pages are back etc
I am seeing the best serps I can remember in my section.

They should just leave it now, stop turning knobs and all take a 6 week holiday. Matt can then come back and man the front desk and phone.

No more tweaks - please!

Dayo_UK

8:49 am on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>>>>They should just leave it now, stop turning knobs and all take a 6 week holiday. Matt can then come back and man the front desk and phone.

Lol - spoken as one who is alright jack.

There is a huge mess in the index at the moment that Google still need to sort out.

I will be amazed if there are not further tweaks in the next few days.

toothake

8:52 am on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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phandombookman here some more
72.14.207.99
72.14.207.104
72.14.207.107
72.14.207.107

Hissingsid

10:47 am on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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toothake,

They are like white hat heaven, almost too good to be true for us.

I have a secondary site that is on a Window$ server, for historical messing about with .asp reasons. I've not managed to persuade the host to sort out a redirect for me and don't know enough about these servers to do it for myself and as a result www and non-www point to the same pages and I think that the site has suffered from a penalty, but it does OK on other search engines and I've just more or less forgot about it. The best I've seen it listed previously is at #61 for the same term it is @ #13 on the DCs you mention.

Sid

[edited by: Hissingsid at 10:53 am (utc) on June 29, 2006]

RichTC

10:52 am on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Only two data centres where we like the results and they are:-

64.233.189.107
and 72.14.235.107

And even these data centres are not as good as the results were prior to BD being introduced -

Since the new infastructure went live ive found google to be a real pain in the ar@e with its constant everflux and irrelevent results showing all the time.

Hissingsid

11:00 am on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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RichTC,

Those two have my "www non-www dupe indicator site" at #65

Wouldn't it be nice if they could allow you to use both www and no-www without a permanent redirect and not penalise you for a standard server set-up.

Sid

painless

4:11 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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My site is no longer marked as supplemental in these three :

72.14.207.99
72.14.207.104
72.14.207.107

and the cache date is fresh too. Hope it stays that way

quotations

4:28 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Pages two through ten of any search I did today looked spectacular. It is as if they have some sort of filter appleied to page one.

I have been extremely happy with most of the latest search results from a searching perspective.

I just have to remember to skip the first page.

Everything on the first page of all of the google results appears to me to be the same old tired BS they have been serving up since they broke their algo. "Google has fallen and it can't get up."

Beyond that, on page two and further down, there are now more and more real, useful results.

I propose that there is now a third major ranking metric.

We have PageRank which we understand somewhat.

We have TrustRank which is fairly clear.

This third metric is a result of the engineers at Google watching to much "Reality TV."

I believe that we are seeing the impact of what I term:

"RealityRank"

It appears that if pages are "REAL" and have real, meaningful, useful content and are not "autogeneratedspamgarbagebs" then they are assigned a negative "RealityRank" and are not allowed to appear any higher in the SERPs than number eleven.

Perhaps they need a new button on the home page similar to the "Feeling Lucky" button. Click here to skip first ten results ("nothing there to see anyway.")

"Get real Google."

Hissingsid

4:32 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

Earlier someone asked how do you get IP of DC.

I'm on Mac OSX.

If I ping www.google.co.uk using Network Utility it reports 216.239.59.99

When I go to www.google.co.uk using Firefox with no cookies allowed. The Firefox extension "ShowIP" says the IP is 216.239.59.99 and when I mouse over the cache it says 216.239.59.104.

The Firefox extension is the "easiest" way to be sure what the IP is each time you go to Google and you can cut away from Micro$oft at the same time.

Sid

trinorthlighting

4:43 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The reason for the serp changes is the supplemental index being recrawled and dropped into google.

androvboy

4:55 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I am not a happy bunny. Dropped from #14 to number #78 for "widgets".

Someone tell me this is a temporary blip please.

arnarn

7:16 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I think the "new" metric for results >10 should be called the black-hole megasite rank since I think size has a lot to do with it..

.. and here I thought it was what you did with what you had rather than size?

Maybe we should call it the p-rank. Or, maybe just rank.

CainIV

8:48 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Nothing stable whatsoever about these results or DC's.

Every day something new is introduced half-baked to the results set. some DC's are great from results 20+. Others are garbage from the get go. On some old domains outrank quality sites, yet others half the sites are supp.

My take is the biggest and most important thing to di to put our heads down to the grindstone and work on our sites and ignore this obviously problem riddled search engine for the next month. When it's time to look up, we can only hope some of these issues have been fixed.

Good luck guys...

nicedude

9:11 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Small tangent, am I correct in thniking its possible to view the comcast results via comcast dot net site's search?

These results are very different, just wondering as I am n01 on the comcast search, no4 google.com and no6 on google.co.uk for a uk hosted site.

Our site seems to be fairing fairly well, but the results that I see are truly awful, stuff like 32 domains interlinked, all the same company (plus same host ) flying up the rankings.

All sites but one, are non readable, no stop words, just lists and list of keywords, in paragraph form, one after another, paragraph after paragraph of it.

Not only will Sergey and Larry be getting a visit from the future like in Terminator for creating a monster, but now, they will be after them for creating the 1990's spam knob that is being played in this niche.

tedster

9:33 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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view the comcast results via comcast dot net site's search?

I wonder what "enhanced by Google" means.

nicedude

9:35 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I realise that, but didn't know if these were the specific results metioned a few weeks back.

g1smd

9:47 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>> its possible to view the comcast results via comcast dot net site's search <<

Did anyone ever ascertain what IP address at Google holds those same results?

steveb

10:57 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I can't even find an IP address that shows my Google.com results, let alone the comacast ones.

tedster

11:35 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If you hover over the "cache" link, you find the IP that will serve the cached page, which is not necessarily the IP address that served your search results.

If you use the command line to ping Google, you will get the IP address at that moment, but it can change in an instant when you do the next search, although it is usually stable for a period of time and a relatively safe approach.

If certainty on the IP address of any page is important, you can use a Firefox extension called "ShowIP" that displays the IP address (or addresses!) for the currently displayed page. The IP information is coming directly from the browser in present time and is displayed in a small extra window on the status bar.

Using that Firefox ShowIP extension, I see that my current Google search results page (going to www.google.com) is actually being pieced together from these three IP addresses:

64.233.161.104
64.233.161.147
64.233.161.99

However, the cache pages are coming from a fourth, different IP address.

If I enter any one of these three above IP addresses directly into the address bar, I get search results from that single IP only, rather than a page pieced together from all three. All the cache links stay on that IP address.

There is another difference as well -- the "google.com" page has the basic Google logo. But the direct IP address page has the gray text "English" at the bottom right of the logo.

tedster

11:43 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Extra note -- the current comcast.net results are coming from 66.151.181.31 which belongs to Fast Search & Transfer. Because the results are "enhanced by Google" rather than "provided by Google" they may be taking a feed from Google but then massaging it to suit their own purposes.

reseller

5:45 am on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Good morning ted

Very informative observations!

And thanks for tip. That Firefox ShowIP extension is very helpful tool for Google Datacenters Watchers, indeed. Now we can see from where those serps are coming. For example my google.com at the moment is 66.249.93.99 and 66.249.93.104 ;-)

kaybarella

7:12 am on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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for the last few weeks results have been changing quite drastically between morning, afternoon and evening but i think it might be starting to settle, i recorded:

29.06
09.30 - 66.102.9.147 - keyword1 #6 - keyword2 #4
13.20 - 66.102.9.99 - keyword1 #6 - keyword2 #4
14.00 - 216.239.59.99 - keyword1 #6 - keyword2 #4

30.06
08.00 - 216.239.59.99 - keyword1 #6 - keyword2 #7

i forgot to check the keywords last night but a different search i did then has just returned the same results this morning.

please please please please...

steveb

8:10 am on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The Firefox IP tool doesn't do anything to tell you "where the results are coming from" since they aren't the same results as displayed on that datacenter directly. That's the mystery. No datacenter displays the results given on several machines in different locations for over a week.

==
I'm getting close to exactly the same results on Google now as I'm getting on Comcast, which makes for the best results in a long, long time... except for the sites lost in the past couple days.

MLHmptn

8:18 am on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Why is it that only you and me can comprehend that SteveB?! :>~ NO single IP is delivering what www.google.com is displaying! If I'm wrong please prove me wrong somebody! The FireFox ShowIP thing is nothing more than your nslookup query being displayed in the status bar but it is indeed nice to save the time of cmd/shell name server lookups.

I would also have to agree that these are the best results I have ever seen on Google. I'm not only where I should be but so are my competitors! :> (Okay, that is indeed selfish)

[edited by: MLHmptn at 8:29 am (utc) on June 30, 2006]

steveb

8:22 am on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It is puzzling to see what some people keep posting.

Watching the datacenters makes no sense now since none of the results, copra or other, are being used on google.com.

Two explainations maybe. Some people are so datacenter obsessed they don't pay attention to the actual results. Or [adjust tin hat] there is some sort of personalization or random assignment of a different set of results that is being served to some of us but not everybody. I asked a few people and they see the same results for a query that I do, but maybe I need to ask more.

I really don't get some of the posts being made here... or for that matter why Google has completely different reults on its datacenters (the mcnameless ones anyway) than what is being served to the public.

MLHmptn

8:25 am on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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*Snicker*

Google is obviously applying some kind of a filter before it is displayed on the www.google.com UI. How else can you explain it? The DC's are now 99% in sync and none of the SERP's accessed directly through www.google.com show what is on the DC's when accessed by IP.

Of course they look similar but they are not the same. As you know...Copra variant or something. But damn, what beautiful SERP's!

kaybarella

8:30 am on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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i dont think anyone is saying google.com is displaying from a single IP are they?

i ping from command prompt which displays the google ip from my own machine. depending on location, etc everyone will get different results but my point is if mine are settling maybe others are.

(i tried the FF extension but as it doesnt appear to ping from my machine and returns a different IP for the data centre)

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