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Wow - this looks like a major major screw up by Google this time (lol yet again)

It is almost as if the allinanchor, allintitle and therefore other serps have been turned off for 2-3 word searches in the sector I watch.

Worst results yet. Someone said reverted back to results/algo/scoring prior to or at the beginning of Big Daddy - this could fit in with what I am seeing.

[edited by: tedster at 2:55 pm (utc) on June 28, 2006]

1:36 pm on June 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>Sorry Tigger, been crying into my cornflakes

I went straight back to bed after seeing the traffic this morning unfortunately it wasn't a dream!

Lets just hope your 24/48 hour turn around is right for all us webmasters

And I also agree about seeing new sites taking top spots so this does not seem to be a ageing filter

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I mean my results have stopped appearing in the top 100 :-)

And yes, the index page not appearing for site: search too.

My previous experience is that all will come back instantly on one day and that there is nothing I can do.

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>> Do others who have lost their rankings also have a problem with the site:example.com not showing the homepage first?

I bet all that suffer from that affliction are buried on all possible keywords - both obscure and competitive. Including the glove slap of being buried for:

myuniquedomainname
"myuniquedomainname.com"
"myuniquedomainname"

...I just recovered from it a day ago after being buried since April.26th. Not sure if it is a glitch or some type of spam penalty that sends you to hell for x number of weeks / months.

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What a mess again:-

Two keyword string that one of our sites has detailed information on (original) static page for and is an authority on the subject:-

66.102.9.104- Rank 16
64.233.189.107 - Rank 1
64.233.179.104 - Rank 28
72.14.207.104 - Rank 18

Four data centres showing different results from one extream to the other and it looks like the sh@t data is winning as traffic is down.

Meanwhile directory sites with affiliate links via a cgi bin win, win, win up they go!

Just when you think things cant get much worse!

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"Not sure if it is a glitch or some type of spam penalty that sends you to hell for x number of weeks / months. "
Its a penalty
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>> [...] When people say their sites are gone from this, do they mean not in google at all, or just moved from top spot to page 2 or 3?

I mean my site has been moved from positions 1-10 to positions 100-300 for my best keywords. Lost 60% of my visits. If this does not change, it will be a complete disaster for me.

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My site is back on all datacenters on positions it had before BD (and on 16th May). Interesting thing is that competitors are not exactly the same so it appears that Google hasn't simply switched to pre BD results.
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@RichTC

I checked those datacentres too, they don't show big differences for me:
66.102.9.104- Rank 5
64.233.189.107 - Rank 6
64.233.179.104 - Rank 5
72.14.207.104 - Rank 5

Number of results vary a lot though, between 109 and 152 million

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>> Do others who have lost their rankings also have a problem with the site:example.com not showing the homepage first?
I bet all that suffer from that affliction are buried on all possible keywords - both obscure and competitive. Including the glove slap of being buried for:

myuniquedomainname
"myuniquedomainname.com"
"myuniquedomainname"

...I just recovered from it a day ago after being buried since April.26th. Not sure if it is a glitch or some type of spam penalty that sends you to hell for x number of weeks / months.

I to was afflicted by this about the same time. I did remove some links to sites like those that were mentioned in MC blog famous post, and also signed up for sitemaps. Even sent a few re-inclusion emails for the heck of it.

Site showed back up were it should be a few days ago.

Glitch or penalty, who knows!

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>> MC blog famous post

What is it?

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I posted this in another thread but think it is pertinent with regard to what we are seeing today.

I strongly suspect that they are playing with semantics.

On 216.239.59.104

#11 widget finance
#5 inset #6 widget finances

On 64.233.167.104

#46 widget finance
#2 inset #3 widget finances

Stems!

Also it seems to me that high traffic terms (ie high enough to appear in Trends) seem to be OK but more obscure terms seem to be producing garbage results in my niche.

Sid

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yep, nothing for site: #*$!xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com either
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>>I strongly suspect that they are playing with semantics.

Maybe. If I search "<3-word phrase>" in 64.233.179.104, Google says:
"Did you mean: <different phrase>" (!)

Searching the same in 64.233.189.107, Google makes no suggestion.

[edited by: tedster at 4:46 pm (utc) on June 28, 2006]

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nothing for site:example.com either but....

on 72.14.235.107 if I type site:example.com, home page is not the first, but if I type site:www.example.com, home is the first.

Any comments? Questions?

[edited by: tedster at 4:47 pm (utc) on June 28, 2006]

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I'm still waiting for the major BD update....
There have been "bad data pushes" ever since the 27th of Dec 2005, still waiting..........
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"I'm still waiting for the major BD update...."
me too ,all the rest is just speculations.Thats all folks/;)
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>all the rest is just speculations

inst that what this place is about? speculating on what the SE are doing

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Some sites I've been tracking that became visible on Cobra are now visible on nearly all of the DCs on the McNameless tool.

This is strong evidence that at least some of the algo changes we've been calling "Cobra" have continued to spread.

At least WRT this particular niche, these unique-content-intensive, relatively young sites are now visible on nearly all DCs for the particular keyword combos I've been tracking.

On the prior G results (aka T***) both sites suffered from classic "sandbox symptoms", and were not visible in the top 200 for the keyword combos I've been watching. Now they are in the top 20 on nearly all DCs.

However, I suspect G has been doing some sort of iterative testing, or there are multiple algo changes involved in "Cobra" because the two sites have not been moving in perfect tandem recently. Both sites are now visible on most DCs, but one of the sites has recently moved to the highest position I've seen so far, while the other has dropped back to the second page.

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Regarding ... do others who have lost their rankings also have a problem with the site:example.com not showing the homepage first?

Yes, but my page rank still shows as a 5 and I'm still in the top 50 in the search results.

I had a number 1 spot I've held for TWO years drop to 4, a top 3 I've held for six months go to 33, a top 5 go to 17 and a top 10 go to 35.

I tried some of the search urls mentioned in other posts but mine aren't doing well in those either.

Anyone know what the site:mysite.com funny results mean and do you think this is temporary or should I totally panic?

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One site I work with recently went from over 100,000 urls on a site: search to only 7 urls! This lasted for about a week or so, but the regular search traffic never showed a change.

I would say only get concerned if those urls disappear from regular search results. As long as they get their regular dose of Google traffic, I would write off any strange site: results as a temporary anomaly and move on.

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tigger,

same exact issue here.

site disappeared last night from serps, site: command is not showing homepage as the first listing, all listings supplemental. lost 95% of traffic. old, established site with wiki, dmoz listings.

something's really fishy. site fluctuated before, but nothing, never this bad.

i'm still getting all traffic from yahoo and msn, but it only accounts for about 50% of all search traffic. hopefully, this will be sorted out soon by google.

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ltedesco //// on 72.14.235.107 if I type site:example.com, home page is not the first, but if I type site:www.example.com, home is the first.
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YES, i'm seeing what you're seeing. with www in site: command on that IP, i'm getting my GOOD results with homepage first.. what does it mean? will it come back? :(

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When I search "site:www.mydomain.com" I only see my home page in the first position in this DC: 64.233.189.107 . Does it mean this DC could prevail?
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A fall for one site is a rise for another.

Two parallel and contrasting threads:

June 27 - changes are a complete disaster [webmasterworld.com]

June 27 - we fully recovered from traffic drop [webmasterworld.com]

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DC: 64.233.189.107

Is the old results and the ones that were pre change for me, hope this is the one that gets put back and not the last one to change!

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I like this one too! (64.233.189.107 ) I'm still in the top 3. Good times...Good times :)
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That's strange because I see the new results on that DC but with the site command working properly (showing index page first).
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//64.233.189.107
good results for me too on that one
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Hi,

64.233.189.107

That DC looks like it is from the Copra line of results. If I were designing an algo I'd make one that put pages from my site at #1 and #2 for all of my major target terms. That DC is 85% of the way towards my perfect algo. Its just too good to be true.

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Definately love 64.233.189.107.

While looking at Google Analytics, I am getting an unusual jump in visitors from Africa, Asia and Australia along with Canada, England and eastern USA while midwest-USA and mid to western Europe are down quite a bit.

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