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Anyone else recovered from the 26 Apr drops today - 5 Jun?



6:39 pm on Jun 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

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My site has just bounced back finally from the big drop we had on the 26th April. I'm interested to know if the others (Hollywood, Jim Lahey etc..) who experienced the same have seen a similar improvement or if its down to something I've done specifically with our site.


12:49 pm on Jun 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Okay, I have recovered as of today. Don't know if it will stick but I am keeping my fingers crossed. It took FOREVER for Google to do a deep crawl

Here is what I did:

- put an html text link to home.html (my homepage) on my splash page (html) - previously it was all image links
- on my home.html I put links to ALL of the pages I wanted to make sure the search engines grab - it's not a clean interface like before :( but at lease the other pages will show up under Google's new way of crawling pages
- I have another site that is ranked 5/10 - I put a link from that site to home.html on the other - I had removed that link a long time ago
- re-worded some pages to remove even a hint of duplicate content
- made sure each page had at least 1 H1 - H3 tag
- I obtained a couple of new links from sites with 5/10 ranking or higher

Interestingly enough, the caches that are showing are from about 3 weeks ago but at least the pages are there, the one that went supplemental is no longer supplemental and I am showing up in the top 10 SERPS for almost all important keywords.

BTW, through all of these ups and downs, my site that is ranked 5/10, had absolutely no problems. It remained in the SERPS, everything remained cached, etc.


12:53 pm on Jun 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Congrats! Great to hear sites getting back..

Did you make any contact with google? Use 301's? Use re-inclusion requests?


12:58 pm on Jun 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I did use that feedback e-mail that Google Guy sent us but never heard from Goolge directly. Also, I did report some spammy and believe it or not porno sites :EEK!: linking to some of my pages.


1:41 pm on Jun 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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What is that email that googleguy suggested?


1:46 pm on Jun 12, 2006 (gmt 0)


Did you see any improvement prior to today and then a big improvement today?

I have seen a little improvement a couple of weeks ago but am wondering if the site needs to be fully crawled or something before it gets any of the decent rankings back.

My site seems to be adding 10-20 pages a day (not freshy fresh crawl - from a crawl 2 odd weeks ago) - but has a long long way to go before a full recovery.


2:23 pm on Jun 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Sorry it wasn't Google guy who made the suggestion it was Matt Cutts. Here is what he said:

"The best way to get people to process your feedback is to use the spam report form or the dissatisfied link, make sure that you include the keyword “bigdaddy” and try to be as specific and clear as you can."

THIS address was from Google Guy:

"So: if your pages are still supplemental, feel free to write to sesnyc06 [at] gmail.com with the subject line of "stillsupplemental" (all one word), and I'll ask someone to check the emails out."

There was one more but I can't find it. Perhaps someone else will come by and assist.

To answer the other question. No I didn't see gradual improvements. I made the changes and noticed Googlebot deep crawling my site last night. It is the first deep crawl in WEEKS!

I have a theory about why sites fall off and disappear. I notice my 5/10 ranked site has been steady and I lost nothing. My 4/10 site has the problem. If they are only crawling so deep, that would explain it as when I put all the links to key content on my home.html page, things got better. Also, they clearly deep crawl pages with higher page rank more often. What I don't get though is why the caches are 3 weeks old when the deep crawl was last night but I am not about to look a gift horse in the mouth. ;) I am just relieved to be back in the index and showing up.


4:17 pm on Jun 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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woe woe woe

My site jumped back 2 weeks ago after numerous complaints to Google.

Now it is a bad as ever with most of the pages that are showing being ones that I deleted 4 months ago!

I an XHTML compliant and use no blackhat...


4:22 pm on Jun 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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What is your page rank?


4:31 pm on Jun 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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PR 3 on the index page and PR 4 on quiet a few others.

I replaced some pages 4 months ago and they have no PR at all.

I use templates which worries me. Perhaps Google's new bigdaddy sees that as duplicate content....


4:44 pm on Jun 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Any theory that sites with a page rank less than 5/10 is rather affected than a site that has a page rank 5/10 or greater?


5:06 pm on Jun 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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There is a site that sits high in the serps in my sector that has not been affected. It's pr is 3-4 on all pages.


11:16 pm on Jun 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Well texasville, I guess that's one more theory blown out of the water :(


12:07 am on Jun 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Anybody has explaination for this drop-down of indexed pages? Is there something going on in Google, may that be that Big Daddy thing? My site dropped from 12k indexed pages to just 500. No signs of rebounding. Is reinclusion request an appropriate action under such circumstances?


1:57 am on Jun 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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4 of my sites is totally out of google. Not only dropped.


2:09 am on Jun 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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So is that thanks to celebrated BD or something else? I remember something like this beginning of the last year, but not at this extent. On that occasion everything came back over some time, didn't need to request reinclusion or any stuff alike. I really want to know what are the expectations now. Otherwise sandwiches will be the only way out.


9:15 am on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have witnesses a great deal of movement this week with a number of websites which my company manage.

70% of which have shown an improvement in their Google rankings. Some have come from oblivion into Page 1's for competitive terms.

We do not use the reinclusion technique, neither have we made any wholesale changes to any of the websites.

In my opinion, I believe that Google have adjusted their weighting on backlinks. Big Daddy did negatively affect some of our sites and this week we have seen those sites get their rankings back, in some cases improving their pre Big Daddy positions.

We have seen this happen before, temporarily, so we will be watching to see if these rankings stick this time.


7:24 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Improvements have continued and Google is now again crawling my site regularly (the one that has 4/10 pagerank). All pages have been cached. Let's hope this holds. My pages are showing up in the top 10, often in the number 1 or 2 position. Still can't rank for:

blue widgits

but at least my pages are showing up in the top 20 for those terms. Before they were absent.

Still totally absent from

red widgits

but I am in number 1positoin for

red widgits country1

red widgits country2

red widgits country3

redwidgits city1

redwidgits city2

redwidgits city3


5:32 pm on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Nothing major or perhaps it is to report.. BUT:

In the past few days I've been getting crawled like mad from googlebot (since april 26th only had like 5 hits a day). Anyways, my site: command has jumped from about 500 to 1000 pages! My whole site is aprox 2000 pages.

However, still ranked on pages 3,4,5 for keywords I should be on page 1 top 3 results as I have been for years.

I'll keep you posted if the index pages actually flow into the search results.


6:30 pm on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Anyways, my site: command has jumped from about 500 to 1000 pages"

Any of the 1000 pages supplemental results? Is it all from your site index?


6:50 pm on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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None of the pages are supplemental.. and no maybe 20 are linked from the index.


7:08 pm on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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My pages went from 22 to 348.... (after I complained about 30 times). Then they went down to 77 now they are at 148..... and still 1/3 of them are pages that I deleted some 4 months ago.

Martin Galloway

9:10 pm on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have four websites, and during the Easter weekend I lost everything except the four index pages.

This weekend on the google.co.uk extension, my Scotland site has 413 listings, but most are supplemental. Interestingly it only shows 10 on a site: search in the .com extension.

I can't understand why all this movement from being listed, then not listed, then 8 times what I had before but supplemental. Many of my pages have never even been looked at in 5 months by Google, yet I use the same meta tag format of ones that are indexed and individual descriptions. Confuses me.



1:58 am on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Have you all seen the news about "how to get a billion pages indexed in Google" - well, you all know where your pages have gone, to make space for this spammer!

I hate to say it but all the tricks he was using I have used a few years ago with similar success - use subdomains, link them from external websites etc. and they worked like a treat. Seems like I should get the old spam manual out and make a few quid.

Oh, I forgot - I have.


8:38 am on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"Have you all seen the news about "how to get a billion pages indexed in Google" - well, you all know where your pages have gone, to make space for this spammer"

I also noticed (as I'm sure others have) that Google has been under attack lately. I attempted to start a thread about it the other day but it was unfortunately rejected - I thought it was Google News?

One of the worst offenders had 1.7BN (!) results 4 days ago; today this has reduced to 5.8m, so I guess Google are on the case...

EDIT: Or maybe 'they' aren't on the case and the site is dropping pages like the rest of us? :)


1:06 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I lost pages like everybody else on Apr 26th. I went down from around 300 indexed pages to only the home page. Last week, things went up and I found google adding pages. One day I used site and it reported 185,000 pages! which obviously I don't have. On Fri/Sat those numbers started going down, first it went down to 8000, then 900 and now 845 and still going down again and for the second time.

IMO it looks like they tuning their filters or were running an experiment, and it didn't work so they are now rolling back. May be someone else can confirm that they saw the same pattern.


1:14 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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yup.... I am back down to 22 today...... I don't think that Google have a clue but I suspect that they will sort out the media sites and make sure that they are listed well..... they wouldn't want bad media coverage.

Tried to start a thread on Google's on forum about getting people to move away from Google... strangely it was wiped after two posts....


1:42 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I reported those pages to google, they removed them. I also emailed MSNDUDE because they were showing up in MSN, he also had them removed. Both google and MSN are aware of that spammers techniques. I still have a list of those sites.

If anyone else finds more of those spam sites, sticky me and I will report them asap.


1:45 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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i also suffered a huge drop in pages back from april, but they all came back after i established a good sitemap! I mean, i uploaded the sitemap, and within 48 hours i had all of the pages back and search activity back up too, on keywords i thought i had lost forever.

i can't believe it.. from a low of 88 now reporting 212! very happy about this.. just hoping it's not temporary.


2:07 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"but they all came back after i established a good sitemap!"

Tell us more about your sitemap..What do you consider a good sitemap?


2:18 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have robots.txt, sitemap.xml, sitemap.htm and ror file.... each refreshed daily and fully compliant.
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