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Google Datacenters Watch 2006-02-21

Observations, Analysis and Remarks

   
2:11 pm on Feb 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Current BigDaddy status from what I can see:

- BD is visible on (using 'sf giants' test)
64.233.161.99
64.233.161.104
64.233.161.105
64.233.161.147
64.233.171.99
64.233.171.104
64.233.171.105
64.233.171.147
64.233.179.104
64.233.185.104
64.233.187.104
66.249.93.104
216.239.37.99
216.239.37.104
216.239.39.99
216.239.39.104

That is around 1/3 of datacenters listed on the McDar tool (I think).

- For me at least BD is returning a significantly lower number of indexed pages.
- BD index is still clogged full of scrapers, doorways and 404s. Meanwhile the sites sticking by the guidelines are getting trounced.

Google puzzle me.

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12:23 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Is it common to lose alot of pages during these updates?

I went from over 2000 pages down to 204.

I am positive there is nothing wrong with these pages.

Can anybody tell me does this happen from time to time and do you get them back as quickly as they left?

What is going on?

12:42 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It's been going on for months, the pages are still there but not being reported. Don't worry about it.
12:48 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>>It's been going on for months, the pages are still there but not being reported. Don't worry about it.

Certainly my pages are not there. But I'm with you on the "don't worry" part.

12:50 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I am closely watching the DC's again since the beginning of february - here is what I have found out so far:

- Cache Dates for pages that have been dropped because of an duplicate content penalty (accident in August 2005) have started to recover. It took more then 6 months but now I do see fresh caches. Could be because of heavy url removal activities from my side.

- Redirected Pages (301) (the old ones) still appear in the non BD DC's.

- There is no such visible thing as a link structure / hierarchy in BD DC's. Subpages are visible as subpages in all other DC's.

- All pages that are ranking in my large site have a cache date that is no higher but Feb. 3th. Newer pages do appear cached - but deliver no visitors.

- Crawling Activity has gone up significantly since the beginning of february. Both Gbot and Moz.

- Have lots of orphaned pages which G is unable to sort out in the non BD DC's. Subpages are present but mainpages are not. Example: Contactpage for widget visible - widget is invisible.

- These widget pages appear in BD DC's but do not rank there. Some Subpages are also visible - but no link structure.

Just some of my (to many) of findings....

My personal opinion: It seems there is something big coming up - but it is not visible yet. BD looks good in a way - but it's far far far from perfect or being close to finished. It will either take much much longer to fill BD with data - or there will be one big surprise.

12:54 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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...and if anybody knows a tool that will deliver proper dc saturation data (not mcdar) - please sticky me. Its driving me nuts...
12:59 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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BD on AOL

Just looked at the results for the UK on AOL and they are just superb. Very, Very clean, authority driven, spot on target.

The other search engines dont stand a chance imo

Best results i have ever seen - i cant see how these can be improved!

If these stick - well done Google is all i can say.

4:31 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)



RichTC,

I agree. I started to see this a couple of days ago and reported it. I got slaughtered by the usual crowd of non-believers / "there's nothing new" crowd ... I'm glad others are seeing it now.

All the best

Col :-)

5:33 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Richtc, Colin,

I beleive things have changed can you sticky me any results that seem strange or _very "authority driven" as you say, please?

7:07 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Can anyone tell me the BD IPs?
7:08 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I am getting absolutely MAD...i dunno how to react to the present situation...

Earlier i lost all my internal pages in Big Daddy as well as Little Daddy except my home page.

Today while performing search in BD and LD i got a strange result.

I typed site:mydomain.com and it returned 323000 result set. Except home page, its showing "Supplemental Result" for the entire set of url's.

I dunno why its showing supplemental result.

Can anybody help?

8:14 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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MrRoy

>>I typed site:mydomain.com<<

And what do you see when you type

site:www.mydomain.com

8:20 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>I typed site:mydomain.com<<

When i typed this, i get a entire list of all the url's of my websites, something 32300.

In the entire list of my website url's, i see my home page only which doest not have the tag called "supplemental result"
Rest of the url's contains that tag called "Supplemental Result"

8:25 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Pls. type

site:www.mydomain.com (not site:mydomain.com)

and tell us what you see

9:21 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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BD on AOL
Just looked at the results for the UK on AOL and they are just superb. Very, Very clean, authority driven, spot on target.

The other search engines dont stand a chance imo

Best results i have ever seen - i cant see how these can be improved!

Until AOL can realise that .co.uk websites are not the only ones in the UK [ for their UK only results], then their results look extremely poor to me.

Apart from which AOL results are provided by Google, so how is that search engines other than AOL don't stand a chance?

9:34 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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What the h*ll happened to Big Daddy overnight.

Seeing more pages indexed - but these are all supplimentals - the recently crawled pages have all been dropped.

How is this progress at all? I thought Big Daddy was supposed to address crawling and canonical problems!

9:39 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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@Dayo_UK

I have the same problem. But, why we and many other sites have this problem - and many not?

9:47 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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64.233.183.104 shows now lots of sites of my portal again with new caches!
9:59 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>> Seeing more pages indexed - but these are all supplimentals - the recently crawled pages have all been dropped.

Today the situation for those sites that suffer Big Daddy dropping their pages turns out to be WORST! Only the homepage remains and all the pages shown are supplementals. What I notice so far is that if your pages drop over 60% before the beginning of or during this week, there are more than 80% chance that you are going to experience this extensive droppings.

10:07 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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> 64.233.183.104 <

Now thats more like it

Passes the sf giants test as being BD and one of my sites hit badly by the BD page indexing and (overnight) supplemental issue - appears normal with all pages intact and ranking. At least for now.

10:10 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Carefull on that DC - it is switching betweeen Big Daddy and non Big Daddy.

When it is deffo showing Big Daddy then the results are the same as the other Big Daddys.

So while Google and MC are pleasing the Blackhats at SES - cant we have some sort of progress report on Big Daddy.

If this is all part of the process and we need to wait it out then fair enough - but things look absolutely awful at the moment.

10:19 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I've been hit really badly by Big Daddy. Pages which ranked really highly have dissapeared overnight and been replaced by pages which have 0% of keywords in them. How is this progress?

I've been really careful to follow Google rules and I've dissapeared.

Any ideas of what to do? Or is it everyone for themsleves?

10:23 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Stellar :

If I type site:www.mydomain.com, I get only 1 result that is of my home page which is listed with "www"
If I type site:mydomain.com, I get a list of all the url's that are listed in Google with "www" and without "www". The url's which are without "www' is showing as a supplemental result.

_________________________________________________
Armi

64.233.183.104 shows now lots of sites of my portal again with new caches!
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Armi

you are not hitting the BigDaddy as well as Little Daddy datacenters, thats why you can see your portal with new caches. Try your search in this two datacenters given below :

66.249.93.104-Big Daddy
64.233.179.104-Little Daddy

My websites positions is absolutely OK in the datacenter you mentioned. But when i check the BD and LD, i dint see my internal pages anywhere except Home Page.

10:27 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Help, help! Aol is showing big daddy results but by no means in my sector are those results clean unless you call using 1000's of no relevant baclinks clean. Door pages galore, redirects all over. Supplememntals by the millions. Matt leave SES and sort out this mess and give people some indication as to when this is going end. Or a least a post.
10:29 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>>>Matt leave SES and sort out this mess and give people some indication as to when this is going end. Or a least a post.

Lol - he is entertaining his black hat friends. They are more important than the white hats.

I dont see supplimentals in AOL actually - as sites seems to have gone totally supplimental then I guess they have no chance in AOL.

10:32 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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He does not need to go SES just read and action the spam reports quicker. That will clean the algo up.
10:34 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Google has bigger problems than spam at the moment.

They can not correctly index sites - they have to get that right first - then take action against spam, as they do on an on-going basis.

But as they are unable to correctly index sites all there spam action does is replace it with another set of spam.

Google is very badly flawed at the moment. Can they turn it around when Big Daddy is finally finished is the question - I have my doubts now due to this latest mess that has just occured.

Just throwing more supplimentals into the index and losing recently cached pages is not a very good sign of progress :(

10:42 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Dayo - youre right re 64.233.183.104 - its unstable

Something has happened over night though re supplementals and there seems to be a continuation of the downturn in pages being indexed - on some sites.

Its affecting some quality competitors sites that I monitor and we will hear more cries of anguish today as people wake up to this stateside

Hopefully when the heavy hitters get home from the SES expo we might get some decent feedback.

11:09 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)



As I said the other day, [gppgle.com...] is showing a different, balanced version of big daddy. It may be flashing in and out but the results seem quite good.
11:13 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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As far as the sites I'm watching are concerned 64.233.183.104 is not a good one, many homepages are missing there.
11:17 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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followgreg

That is not bigdaddy.

OK, I have asked Matt on his blog for a progress report.

eg I want to know if this is a temp return of supplimentals and if a re-indexing will occur.

Just because we have not been able to go to SES doesn't mean we should not be allowed to ask Quest. IMO.

I encourage other to do the same:-

[mattcutts.com...]

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