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Your input is much appriciated.
I can see even better results on the test DCs.
Parts of my site don't rank as good as before, especially my forum. I think this might be because of some more heavy fixes I did there. Maybe I have to wait some more time.
This is an expensive shuffling for me - I just had to order that 21" monitor ;-)
I wonder if those of us who constantly do automated checks, are penalised for using up Google's resources.
Just a comment......but be good to know any opinions on this :-)
[ps: I hardly ever do auto queries, so I'm not relating it to me, but worth a mention for feedback from those of you who do so :-) ]
In fact, overall crawl activity from Google bot is a great deal higher in December (3,700 pages) compared to November (1,800 pages). The website has roughly 1,000 pages.
Honestly, jagger 1 and 2 results. but this is looking like it has spread to every dc i check. This must be a rollback. Since Sept 27th i have been hawking every thing possible for certain terms. It is exactly the same as j1 and j2. The only thing that looks different, is the result count, wich during the jaggers was 48 million results, but now is 64 million results. Oddly enough, the weather report from matt cutts a week or so ago with the dc to watch, had me looking good for everything and the results were way higher, for example, 240 million results. I think there is going to be a weather report by days end, this makes no sense to me as it does not add up at all.
Excluding The "Test DC"
How many of you were effected by Jagger, and made NO changes (and I mean not a single change, on page, or off page), and are now seeing movement for your site(s).
How many of you were effected by Jagger and then made changes, like 301 redirects for www vs non-www issues, added pages, changed keyword density, changed meta tags, H1 & H2 headings.
What I am asking is, are the changes you are seeing a result of a change of algo, or a result of new data being calculated into the SERPS reflecting changes you have made to your sites?
Back to watching, kinda intresting today
Thanks for feedback.
>> I think there is going to be a weather report by days end, this makes no sense to me as it does not add up at all. <<
Matt returned back from Omaha yesterday, and mightbe feeling heavy after the good food the in-laws served for him during X-Mas :-)
So as you said, few days more and we shall hear him calling for feedback.
I have been adding pages with orginal content, adding content to existing pages during jagger, slow and methodically working on inner linking, but nothing drastic. My kw density remains about the same.
All I can suggest, from what i just checked, is that this DC has very similar results for the keywords I checked. Some are in a slightly better position, others slightly worse. Of those that are in number one spot, thy are the same across all DC's.
The only major difference I see is the number of results returned appear to be much higher on this DC.
What concerns me are the comments that there is a major update going on, and I just don't see it. What I do see, is modifications of some filters, and efforts to correct outstanding issues after the Jagger update.
It seems that once one update is finished, people are looking for the next update, immediately. I feel that there is a major difference between an update, and ongoing tweaking of the filters etc., which happens all the time. Hence the test DC's, which are there to try and consolidate on the previous update.
I hope you had a good Christmas, by the way!
Google is death on webposition that uses automatic querries. I hired an SEO "expert" who used it and got penalized on the site he was building for us.
When I querried Google they sent me info about webposition being in violation of their terms of service. I scrapped the site. And the expert.
So I stay away from anything automatic now.
I follow these update topics just like everyone else when my site drops in the rankings for no apparent reason. My site, for the last 3 years, has dropped dramatically in the rankings just prior the "Christmas" buying season(middle/beginning of Nov.) only to return to its previous identical/near identical ranking very soon after Christmas. No changes to the site at all. This year is no exception. The "jagger" update dropped my consistent top 10 ranking to anywhere from 180-500. Guess what happened yesterday? I have jumped back to the top 10 to my original pre-"jagger" position.
I am not convinced that there was actually a "jagger" update. My theory is that the pre-christmas "update" (every year for past 3 years) is really a completely seperate index not just an algo change to help push retail sales type sites to the front for searchers looking to shop for Christmas or something along those lines.
Am I crazy or what?
I just did a link: command for the site in question on google and the non-www. showed zip results. However, the www. showed the correct.
I tested this out on another domain i have and the link command worked on both the www and non-www.
Any thoughts on this?
I have been under the assumption that traffic had a lot to do with it. If G sees people going to the site, it ups the rankings. If G sees a dropoff, it drops the rankings. However, your theory could hold some water as well.
There's definitely a pattern developing with my site...just not sure what the pattern means yet.
Sites of mine droped to no where since the very beginning of jagger updates. i am now back into the same (or slightly lower) position before jagger.
at first i thought it was about reciprocal link penalty ...had been reading around and studying the new SERP in my field but nothing huge changes had been made -- added some contents (not much, its just less than 20 pages), and added some one way link but i guess none of these have anything to do with my site rebounce.
it just drop and bounce for no apparent reason. does the update happens for a reason? ...hmmm.
[220.127.116.11...] same as my default google.com, 19 pages indexed, cache dated Dec 26, main kw at 6 out of 26 millions
[18.104.22.168...] same as last night results on 22.214.171.124 (or default DC), 19 pages listed, cache dated Dec 14, main kw at 47 out of 26 millions
While this isn't important in itself, it would suggest that the algo version being used on these DC's isn't likely to be propagated to other DC's in its current form (unfortunately for me).
So I'll just keep on wandering in the online desert for a few more weeks...maybe months...maybe forever. Maybe the algo has a section called 'we just don't like these people'. If it had, maybe you could buy it an algorithmic drink or something. A box of square root chocolates. Some cosine flowers.....
And you may laugh, but in this sector msn has consistently the best results. I just wonder if it has anything to do with the genuine sites do NOT as a rule have google ads on their sites. But so many of the garbage sites in the top 100 in this sector do. Directories, dmoz clones, scrapers...all do well here.
Grow up google. Get out of beta.
You just sit back, relax, have a Cappuccino, and watch these two DCs ;-)
And of course, forget all about that test DC.
I dont think you work for google to give authoritative information, I can understand your sites are doing well in those DCs, It's a lot of fun seeing you act like a Google employee.
Unless stated otherwise by a Senior Google employee like Matt, There is no use seeing any other DCs other than the test DCs [126.96.36.199...] 64.233.179.*
>>I dont think you work for google to give authoritative information, I can understand your sites are doing well in those DCs, It's a lot of fun seeing you act like a Google employee.<<
In fact during all updates and big changes, it has always been members of these forums who start posting their observations in advance of any comments from Google. Do a search, for example under Allegra, Bourbon, 22nd September and Jagger and you shall see what I mean.
>>Unless stated otherwise by a Senior Google employee like Matt, There is no use seeing any other DCs other than the test DCs [188.8.131.52...] 64.233.179.* <<
Not all of us agree with your mindset: I don't see.. I don't hear... I don't talk... I don't think UNLESS Google tells me to do so :-)