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Is this a big google update going on?

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8:14 pm on Dec 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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i'm seeing a big change in some data centers, looks awesome. this is one fine christmas gift.
2:15 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Reseller,

All I can suggest, from what i just checked, is that this DC has very similar results for the keywords I checked. Some are in a slightly better position, others slightly worse. Of those that are in number one spot, thy are the same across all DC's.
The only major difference I see is the number of results returned appear to be much higher on this DC.

What concerns me are the comments that there is a major update going on, and I just don't see it. What I do see, is modifications of some filters, and efforts to correct outstanding issues after the Jagger update.

It seems that once one update is finished, people are looking for the next update, immediately. I feel that there is a major difference between an update, and ongoing tweaking of the filters etc., which happens all the time. Hence the test DC's, which are there to try and consolidate on the previous update.

I hope you had a good Christmas, by the way!

2:29 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I expect that google penalizes for automatic querries. I am of that OPINION because of a problem we had.

Google is death on webposition that uses automatic querries. I hired an SEO "expert" who used it and got penalized on the site he was building for us.

When I querried Google they sent me info about webposition being in violation of their terms of service. I scrapped the site. And the expert.

So I stay away from anything automatic now.

2:44 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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caution: wild theory follows

I follow these update topics just like everyone else when my site drops in the rankings for no apparent reason. My site, for the last 3 years, has dropped dramatically in the rankings just prior the "Christmas" buying season(middle/beginning of Nov.) only to return to its previous identical/near identical ranking very soon after Christmas. No changes to the site at all. This year is no exception. The "jagger" update dropped my consistent top 10 ranking to anywhere from 180-500. Guess what happened yesterday? I have jumped back to the top 10 to my original pre-"jagger" position.

I am not convinced that there was actually a "jagger" update. My theory is that the pre-christmas "update" (every year for past 3 years) is really a completely seperate index not just an algo change to help push retail sales type sites to the front for searchers looking to shop for Christmas or something along those lines.

Am I crazy or what?

2:57 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ok, maybe it could be related to non-www and www.

I just did a link: command for the site in question on google and the non-www. showed zip results. However, the www. showed the correct.

I tested this out on another domain i have and the link command worked on both the www and non-www.

Any thoughts on this?

2:58 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You may not be so crazy. For the past two years, my Christmas site has shot up in the rankings right before the season, and then lost them again right after Christmas. This morning, all my fabulous rankings are gone (just like last year). Luckily, for me, my rankings were good during the time period I needed them to be.

I have been under the assumption that traffic had a lot to do with it. If G sees people going to the site, it ups the rankings. If G sees a dropoff, it drops the rankings. However, your theory could hold some water as well.

There's definitely a pattern developing with my site...just not sure what the pattern means yet.

3:35 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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WW_Watcher
"How many of you were effected by Jagger and then made changes, like 301 redirects for www vs non-www issues, added pages, changed keyword density, changed meta tags, H1 & H2 headings. "

Sites of mine droped to no where since the very beginning of jagger updates. i am now back into the same (or slightly lower) position before jagger.

at first i thought it was about reciprocal link penalty ...had been reading around and studying the new SERP in my field but nothing huge changes had been made -- added some contents (not much, its just less than 20 pages), and added some one way link but i guess none of these have anything to do with my site rebounce.

it just drop and bounce for no apparent reason. does the update happens for a reason? ...hmmm.

3:50 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My default DC [72.14.207.104...] is giving me almost completely different results then the DCs that have been posted here. Have the changes not spread to this DC or is this yet another version of potential future results?
4:44 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My new site (6 weeks old)
test DC --> 360 pages indexed, cache dated Dec 14, main kw at 3 out of 94 millions

[64.233.183.104...] same as my default google.com, 19 pages indexed, cache dated Dec 26, main kw at 6 out of 26 millions

[64.233.183.99...] same as last night results on 64.233.183.104 (or default DC), 19 pages listed, cache dated Dec 14, main kw at 47 out of 26 millions

6:23 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I just noticed that the 'More pages from www.sitename.abc' feature is not currently operating on 64.233.179.99 and 64.233.179.104.

While this isn't important in itself, it would suggest that the algo version being used on these DC's isn't likely to be propagated to other DC's in its current form (unfortunately for me).

So I'll just keep on wandering in the online desert for a few more weeks...maybe months...maybe forever. Maybe the algo has a section called 'we just don't like these people'. If it had, maybe you could buy it an algorithmic drink or something. A box of square root chocolates. Some cosine flowers.....

6:41 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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TearingHairOut

>>So I'll just keep on wandering in the online desert for a few more weeks...maybe months...maybe forever.<<

You just sit back, relax, have a Cappuccino, and watch these two DCs ;-)

[64.233.183.99...]

[64.233.183.104...]

And of course, forget all about that test DC.

7:02 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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i know now for sure,

the best (one) words don't change much... they are manually handled by a huge team.

two or more words are semi automaticly indexed..

do everybody know/think this? or am i just waked up? greetings from Hollanda

7:27 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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my google is : 64.233.187.104 and if this is google quality, it has gotten laughable. The worst serps I have yet to see.
I watch a sector dominated by medium business specializing in big ticket widgets. Almost all are brick and mortar sites with online prescence. Google has consistently bad results in this category.

And you may laugh, but in this sector msn has consistently the best results. I just wonder if it has anything to do with the genuine sites do NOT as a rule have google ads on their sites. But so many of the garbage sites in the top 100 in this sector do. Directories, dmoz clones, scrapers...all do well here.
Grow up google. Get out of beta.

8:07 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You just sit back, relax, have a Cappuccino, and watch these two DCs ;-)

[64.233.183.99...]

[64.233.183.104...]

And of course, forget all about that test DC.

I dont think you work for google to give authoritative information, I can understand your sites are doing well in those DCs, It's a lot of fun seeing you act like a Google employee.

Unless stated otherwise by a Senior Google employee like Matt, There is no use seeing any other DCs other than the test DCs [64.233.179.104...] 64.233.179.*

8:53 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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powerofeyes

>>I dont think you work for google to give authoritative information, I can understand your sites are doing well in those DCs, It's a lot of fun seeing you act like a Google employee.<<

In fact during all updates and big changes, it has always been members of these forums who start posting their observations in advance of any comments from Google. Do a search, for example under Allegra, Bourbon, 22nd September and Jagger and you shall see what I mean.

>>Unless stated otherwise by a Senior Google employee like Matt, There is no use seeing any other DCs other than the test DCs [64.233.179.104...] 64.233.179.* <<

Not all of us agree with your mindset: I don't see.. I don't hear... I don't talk... I don't think UNLESS Google tells me to do so :-)

9:55 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Looks like the test DC is offline again
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