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3:59 am on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It looks like Google wasted no time integrating Urchin into their product lineup:

[google.com...]

If you pay $200/mo for Urchin now, you may want to reconsider.

[edited by: vitaplease at 8:02 am (utc) on Nov. 14, 2005]
[edit reason] link to source itself [/edit]

5:32 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm still getting "Waiting for Data" but when i clink on "View Reports" it does in fact display Graphs/Data.
5:56 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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ok google finally noticed the code on my site , now im on "Analytics has been successfully installed and data is being gathered now. Your first reports will be ready within twelve hours." 67 hours of waiting here we go.
5:59 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I put it in a new site yesterday noon, and this morning I already see stats. The features are cool for its price. Guess am not just one of those concerned with privacy implications of this product. I love good products, especially if it's free :o)
6:03 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Curious:

I didn't want to read through all 13 pages worth of posts, so my apologies if this is already answered.

On a "Pay to View" site, my main concern is seeing which pages derive which % of traffic, because that's how the "profits" are divied up between content providers on the site.

IE: The pages contributor A made accounted for 15% of traffic, contributor B's pages account for 5%, etc. Therefore A gets 15% of the money set aside for profit share, B gets 5%, and so on.

Right now, I'm just using a PHP script to track the relevant pages. Would there be any advantage for me to switch over to Google Analytics?

Or is this problem too durn simple to even bother?

6:11 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think they are just overloaded. My sites finally got recognized as having the scripty content, that was at least a 12 hours wait. Now it says wait another 12 hours for stats.
6:19 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I am also unable to get Google to find my tracking code. I am guessing by the frequency of this problem in this forum that this is a Google issue.

I saw mention that someone said google shouldn't need to hit the page as it is a a remote javascript file and that is why no Google ip has mae any recent requests. That would be true for collecting the stats but presummably they must send off at least one hit to confirm the existance of the code in your source so that it can "turn on" your account or something. Otherwise putting the code in would just start tracking hits as the javascript file gets called when pages hits are made on your site. I also assume it needs to check it itself so that it won't accept javascript hits from another URL using your account number, otherwise I could check your source, add the code with your id and you would get results from my ste as well.

Has anyone who couldn't get Google to find the code on their site get anything different after some time?

Also where are the WW servers? The forum posts timestamps are 7 hours off my time. I am MST.

6:41 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's really slow. After about 12 hours it will probably "find" your site, clicking to check doesn't seem to help. Then it will tell you to wait another 12 hours to see anything.
6:41 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I am sorry... but my server logs are just that! MY SERVER LOGS! No thanks GOOG! What have you done for me lately?
7:15 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Has anyone put the code snippet on a secure(https) page? It looks like they only have a http url version, which makes my browser lock red.
7:24 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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[google.com...]

When all else fails, maybe I should read the directions.

7:51 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My stats are coming in, after around 24hrs. But didn't I read somewhere that after the reports start coming in, they should be updated hourly? The reports I'm looking at are already almost a day old.

Also, I hope Google doesn't work the results into their search engine rankings. It would be horrible if G started sending me even less traffic because certain pages always get bounced off of, or something.

8:24 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Personally, I like the GA. I think it gives much more than awstats or the other server based stats that I've seen.
8:33 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Same boat here. I inserted their code yesterday. I only have data for yesterday. I don't think the per hour update is functioning correctly.
9:01 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I am sorry... but my server logs are just that! MY SERVER LOGS! No thanks GOOG! What have you done for me lately?

That is like keeping all your money in your mattress because those "bankers are no good thieves!"

9:03 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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hm...I also placed that little code on a very small PR4 content site yesterday, GA still shows no reports but they're working on it ;-)

What will they do with all the data? What about sites who still get their PR by transmission, not because of their traffic or unique content?

Nice test, isn't it?

10:16 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I wish it could find the code on my site as well......

I'm just curious to see what all it can tell me about my traffic.

11:16 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Regarding the issue of downloading a 20k javascript file... once there are enough sites using Google Analytics, most of your users will already have the JavaScript file cached when they reach your site.
11:18 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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we just gotta hope the visitor has visited someone elses site that has it before our travisk :)
12:07 am on Nov 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ankhenaton,

> PI's differ significantly from Adsense PIs.

A wild guess... Could the difference be the result of ad-blocking? And if it is, could this be a metric for "guesstimating" what percentage of visitors are blocking ads? (And for a company who makes 90%+ of their revenue through online advertising, you can be sure that they have a vested interest in what that percentage is.)

ikkyu,

> When all else fails, maybe I should read the directions.

LOL! Thanks for the tagline!

12:07 am on Nov 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Or , if google would put the code on google.com, so practicly all users will already have the code by the time they get to sites that have the code.....
2:13 am on Nov 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I am also sure that a lot of propaganda and negative view points by the companies that stand to lose business because of this new tool will be pouring out over the next few weeks.

This move by Google will have a big impact on any company supplying web analyzer software.

My first impression is that there is just so much information that they supply. How will I find time to go through it and make profitable use of it.

3:32 am on Nov 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I am sorry... but my server logs are just that! MY SERVER LOGS! No thanks GOOG! What have you done for me lately?

Google Analytics doesn't use your server logs.

3:49 am on Nov 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Its been 2 days since I put the code up. Finaly earlier today it detected the code, and still no stats.
It looks fairly powerful. But until the bugs are worked it this is the worst thing related to Google ever...

If they continue like this Google jokes are gonna be more popular than MS jokes.

5:43 am on Nov 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I really hope they add better support for tracking dynamic URLs. A complicated filter will not work for most people...
6:25 am on Nov 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'd rather they read my server logs than make people download 20k worth of java crap...

Besides, how long until people are filtering out the URL with plugins like AdBlocker or anti-spyware programs? Not long I imagine.

6:37 am on Nov 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The stats results are inaccurate.

ann

6:49 am on Nov 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Mikey158,
It is best not to interrupt fish in a feeding frenzy. :)

Good luck guys and gals but I don't want to help ANYONE monoplize the web.

6:54 am on Nov 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi discobit,
According to google engineers at the conference, they have no plans to accumulate, aggregate, or use any statistics you gather on your site using google analytics (urchin). I think the value to google is that by giving webmasters the tools necessary to optimize for conversion, we'll be more likely to increase ad spending. I do genuinely believe they're reaching out to us to give us the tools necessary to help enable the tail. I believe it is a wise business move that benefits everyone.
6:58 am on Nov 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If I might paraphrase Matt Cutts today, he said to have some patience as the influx of new users is causing the stat delays. It should be remedied soon. Powerful programs like urchin require a great amount of processing power and I don't think they expected the surge of users.
8:15 am on Nov 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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> don't think they expected the surge of users.

Is it just me, or is the "unexpected surge" excuse becoming a common refrain with each new offering? I mean this isn't the first time users have swamped Google when trying out/downloading/utilising their latest product, and that just sours the user experience for all.

At times like these, I wonder if Google is somewhat masochistic - seems like they enjoy the occasional self-inflicted "poor man's" DDOS attack.

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