Update Jagger, Google Update Oct 18th, 2005

When can we expect a new PR update?

[jretzer]

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Anyone have any guesses as to when we can expect a new systemwide PR update?

[frances]

Dont know how helpful this is, but I manage a number of sites. All white hat optimised. Some have been completely unaffected, and two have been affected - not terribly, just dropped a couple of pages for all search terms.

And the main thing I can see that differentiates them from the others is a higher proportion of perciptible reciprocal links - approaching half of non-reciprocals in both cases.

Anyone else?

[Hollywood]

I am seeing ip addresses in search results with forwarded redirects, this is no good... reported many times, still there.

==Sample==

Select and Go
This page has moved. Please go to:. [11.111.111.1...]
home.sample.de/sample/dir/ - 1k - Cached - Similar pages

==End==

Hollywood

[Atomic]

I have reported some wrongdoers. Now let's see what the sherrif does!

[texasville]

Reseller-
Obviously you did not read my entire post. You seem to be pushing this spam report stuff. I still say it is only LIP service from Google. Google Guy is just espousing it. I have seen no results from it.After TWO reports-nothing done. NADA...zip...3 months. One gone for a few weeks. Back in top positions with nothing changed. These are on line sites for commercial businesses. Not big businesses. Medium. Garbage blackhat. One seo/web design is making good money doing this with several sites. storefront sites. Not adsense sites.
Google doesn't really care and I suggest you not waste your time.

[texasville]

Google guy I just saw your post. Skipped the previous page after being gone- I will redo the reports right now. Interested in your reaction. Also like to know why they were reincluded after not cleaning up. Seems that should have happened first.

[2by4]

texasville, I think this is different, this isn't the standard spam report, that is as you note not useful, google admits that themselves, they've said many times they only collect that information to build up general looks at the problem, not to remove the offender. Submitting in that previous case, that's a waste of time.

This case is different, as googleguy has said, google wants feedback because they need eyeballs, they are actively testing a new way to do this stuff, this isn't your generic spam report, at least it doesn't look like it from where I sit, they want to determine as quickly as possible what other methods might be succeeding right now, with these updates in place. But again, it doesn't mean that they will drop the site, it means they want to build up enough examples to be able to automate the detection process, that's my guess anyway.

If I were you I'd rereport the spam stuff you're seeing, I think it might be worth it, if it's actually real spam.
<added>oh, you saw googleguy's post, nevermind</added>

[texasville]

Well we'll see. I just did two reports-one reporting two sites. both by the blackhat seo firm. We'll see if anything is done.

[2by4]

yeah, let us know what happens, it will be interesting to see, you put in jagger2 in the spam report right? We should probably do the same, our sites are out, and a few of the sites left are doing the same junk.

[WebPixie]

GG.. What types of spam sites? The terms "spam" and "black hat" seem to mean many things to many people. You just want the over the top cheaters that are ranking? Or spam sites not ranking and ranking sites with more subtle spam and black hat?

I'm not even sure I understand my post, I hope you do. ;)

[texasville]

I put update jagger in the query line and I addressed it to GoogleGuy in the first sentence and I put Texasville in the body.

"it means they want to build up enough examples to be able to automate the detection process, that's my guess anyway."

Yea but this is really simple stuff. I can't understand why the simplest algo doesn't pick it up.
Hidden text? Using a 1x1 trans gif to point hidden links at?
But the one that really chaps me is one that google let back in without cleaning up. Google indexes 111 pages and they have about 9. All the rest are just js redirects to the index page. plus several bogus site maps. a two word query brings them #1.