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6:35 am on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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For the past year I have experienced periodically being completely dropped off Google. My site has been the FIRST of its kind and is in all the natural search results on the first spot. I'm just a small business, but since spet of 2004 I have been vanishing off of Google every 6 weeks or so--recently it has been more often and for longer periods. Does Google discriminate against Older sites? Are they doing it so that we will advertise with them? Any help, advice, comment from a desperate single mother of 4!
6:31 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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21th May, we lost 99% of all Google traffic for our main site. 21th of September exactly 4 months later we got all our traffic back. I always believed that our site got some sort of penilty from all those scraper sites linking to us , since it didn't just drop to page 2, but more like page 458. What we are now seing is that alot of those sites that got a penilty in May are now back in the SERPS. But that doesn't explain why new sites are now dropping, so I guess it could be another update.
6:37 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yeap, for a few of my more competitive phrases on a 3 year old clean site I've dropped from top 20 to 100+, some tweaking going on for sure. Hopefully it's just the start of an update and they'll come back :P
6:47 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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4 Year old site - always ranked in the top ten for all my targeted keywords. Backlinks went up and now the site is off the radar. The set of serps I watch have totally changed, and I can only hope there is a major glitch with this update.

One thing. I'm not changing a thing on my site. I've had lots of scraper sites linking to me recently, but I've always kept the site squeaky clean, followed Brett's steps and follwed G's TOS. Still rank as always on all the other engines.

7:34 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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there seemed to be quite a few posts to the september update that's not an update [webmasterworld.com] thread yesterday, so fingers crossed we're in the early days of a proper update and it'll all come good...that said, it might just have been the final twist in the non update, and we'll have to live with what we've got for a few weeks.
7:57 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm seeing two sites which have previously held top 5 positions drop out in the last 48 hours... might have been a manual check (in which case I'm not sure why they'd have dropped to 200+ positions and not be removed from the index).

Having said that we did have a dumb robots.txt go live a couple of weeks ago on one of those sites... so that might be an issue while PR and internal anchor get revaluated.

Also, have seen a shuffle in number of results returned over a couple of datacenters.

Something has definately been devalued in the last couple of days.

7:58 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This is an definately update as far as I can see. I am surprised there are so few posts here on the subject.

I have been seeing a real shake up in my sector (european travel)for about 24 hours now.

At the moment the update is looking pretty sad, I think this must have a way to go yet.

8:04 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>This is an definately update as far as I can see. I am surprised there are so few posts here on the subject.<<

What? what do you mean by few? ;-)

We have been posting about the update (Update Brett) since 21st September! Take a look

[webmasterworld.com...]

8:09 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well I imagine the word on the street is that there is no update yet - otherwise it would have been named.

I am sure it is GG time to name it - keeping us waiting GG? ;)

8:09 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think there seems to be a lot of sites that ranked top 5-10 on page 1 have dropped 10's of pages in the SERPs - I know that my own site is as "clean" as it can be and has been holding #1 for a number of 3 and two word keyword phrases for the past 4-5 years.

Yesterday these dropped down 200+ places.

The only comfort we can gain from this at the moment is that we are not alone!

Lets hope its just phase 1 of an update (possable 2 following the noupdate/update of last week) and its picking on the big sites reindexing/page ranking thier pages ready to dump in again sometime soon!

8:16 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Reseller, Yes I know and have read the posts. That thread as far as I recall dealt with some minor changes at the begining of September.

What I am taking about is much more widespread and started about 48hours ago.

On thursday you wrote

"Update Brett is still young and we mightbe looking at ONLY part one of the famous 3.5"

Perhaps someone can clarify for me

Are we seeing an update?
Since when?
If there is an unpdate then why no discussion thread here?

Thanks.

8:17 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>Lets hope its just phase 1 of an update (possable 2 following the noupdate/update of last week) and its picking on the big sites reindexing/page ranking thier pages ready to dump in again sometime soon!

I like your glass half full point of view :-)

>>Are we seeing an update?
Since when?

I think so in some sectors, the site I noticed it on dropped in rankings yesterday.

8:23 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>Reseller, Yes I know and have read the posts. That thread as far as I recall dealt with some minor changes at the begining of September.<<

Not at all. We were talking about THIS update ;-)

Pls read my post msg #:563 :

[webmasterworld.com...]

8:25 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Dayo_UK

>>Well I imagine the word on the street is that there is no update yet<<

Did you mean: "Corner of Haight and Ashbury" ;-)

8:31 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanks reseller.

Yes, I remember looking at those DC's when you posted and all looked normal to me around midweek.

So perhaps they do it by keyword/sector now to make less waves with the update?

Is this what people have reffered to a rolling update?

I saw some other people posting about "european travel" sites being hit.

what is your area reseller?

9:17 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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SOMETHING big has certainly happened... A site that has been in the sandbox for over a year finally came out a few days ago.

But that five year old artistic site missing? - cannot understand the reasoning behind that one...

Grrrr.

9:37 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's no update. It's a massive screwup.

I saw some competors disappear, but now poof, I've lost as many as 700 spots for some terms, always with the commonality that they have been apparently overwhelmed by a rush of dozens of scraped copies that are listed as Supplemental.

It appears Google has removed the cache from millions of supplemental listings, which has caused havoc with their already polluted index.

This isn't deliberate behavior. It's yet another mega screwup from the 80 billion dollar company.

9:39 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Steveb,

Any idea when we get our revenue back? ;)

9:43 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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4 year old rich content site, original content that I wrote, is wiped out from Google.

This is complete bull#*$!. I found several other foreign sites copying my content and using it to push viagra and other pills.

What do I have to do, put my text up as an image?

IF google can't figure out the difference of who is original and who is BS (free hosting websites) - then they are paying way too much for their engineers. My domain doesn't expire for 5 years, and they think I am the spammer over junk sites and free hosting websites?

I hope MSN does buy AOL and slaps the crap out of Google. It's ironic that I stopped using Google about 3 weeks ago when I got tired of not being able to find what I was looking for.

9:47 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)



Free servers are where I have about 15 genuine hobby sites that have been there for around 8 years so why exclude the?

Incidentally there must be an update going on since the traffic on some of my sites suddenly halved, and we are talking about 5000 or so google sent visitors a day, and one site that was getting 20 per day for a year got 2500 yesterday? Extremely strange.

9:51 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Average daily uniques for September - 18,000
Uniques for September 22nd - 6,100

This isn't looking good. I dread to look at yesterdays earning.

9:57 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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When someone using a free webhosting site copies my 4 year old domain that doesn't expire for 5 years, it should be obvious to Google engineers who is the original website, and who is copying the content - without even a human looking at the page.

I'm not suggesting that free hosting sites/pages get dropped or punished.

Google Engineers: Over rated, over paid, and under worked.

Their egos are writing checks their skills can't cash.

9:59 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>> A site that has been in the sandbox for over a year finally came out a few days ago.

Yeah. We've seen an upward movement on a new site (jeez I only did one new site in the last 5 months?) that was lying dormant and we've just started building the content about 3 or 4 months ago.

But the downward movement in serps is weird, very weird.

Hopefully it will sort itself out by Monday -- biggest day of the week.

SteveB: What you described is called a "disturbance in the force" at Casa Shri and calls for a night out at the pub. :)

10:00 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>what is your area reseller? <<

Thanks for asking ;-)

Marketing & Advertising

10:14 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi Folks

To find out whether its an update or not, lets think this way:

- It isnīt a reshuffling

- It isnīt the usual everflux

- It isnīt the usual rollback

Then....

Of course its an update

Or should I believe that:

It May Walk Like a Duck and Quack Like a Duck, But It is No Duck! ;-)

10:26 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I lost four major sites but I don't know if they were manually penalized or if it's part of this update.

Many seem to have lost their top positions. What kind of sites have taken your place on top? What does Google favour now?

10:28 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't track keywords that much as site has broad scope. However, I noticed a big change in what sub domains popup when you do a search on the site name.

Seems to have went back to what it looked like in the spring, with our most busy ones not listed anymore.

More than flux I think...

10:31 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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GG - we need your input!
11:12 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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GG won't clear up anything, only add to the confusion.

I'm sick of their incompetence.

11:13 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yeah, really confuse
11:27 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think it would be helpful to hear a clear word what's really going on. I wonder why Brett stopped the update thread "till something more definative comes up".

For me this is really definitive: I lost all rankings in Google with my most important site.

It is really weird this time. Very, very weird.

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