Pagerank update

[MLHmptn]

A few of my sites have jumped in page rank a couple of notches. Will this cause an impending update? :>~

[xbase234]

This is a long awaited update - 5 1/2 months of cleaning up a spam-ridden site has finally paid off.

PR0 - PR5

Lots of great learning from this one.

[nileshkurhade]

www.mydomain.com = PR4
www.mydomain.com/index.html = PR5

Why?

Corrected : www.mydomain.com is also PR5 now

[edited by: nileshkurhade at 6:31 pm (utc) on April 22, 2005]

[McMohan]

My homepage went to a PR4, my content subpage is a >PR5, how can this be

After seeing what they did to the backlink function, wouldn't be surprised if they did something similar with TPR too.
Then wouldn't Yahoo be more than obliged to aggressively market the Webrank feature?

[Amerise]

I wish I could be excited but it seems neither of my sites have budged in pr or backlinks. Both seem to be stuck at pr0. One of my sites shows 600+ backlinks but none on google.

[kamikaze Optimizer]

Amerise:

Are you sure? Try using a PR future tool.

[Amerise]

Just checked using a future pr tool and still nothing. Hope something shows soon, I'm starting to get worried.

[friendlyseo]

For me, only my sites that were at PR 0 have changed and now have PageRank... other sites that aleady had PR are still the same.

[steveb]

"But 0 PR to Bluefind shows stupidness of Google."

It's finally an example of Google doing something right, and it is hard to imagine anyone being surprised. You can't buy pagerank; you can't sell pagerank; and you can't get away with it by blathering armwaving jargon claiming you are doing something else. From day one, the real question was only when this would happen.

[kamikaze Optimizer]

Holding the same PR is not a bad thing.

Remember if your links had been mainly from blogs, forums or guest book comments, this is the first PR update with the new "no follow" tag factored in.

[mrlaw]

My homepage PR is increased from PR6 to PR7.

Also, I agree that BlueFind is just selling PR and should be banned.

[synergy]

Interesting, last week my site rose in the major kw ranking from #7 to #5, yet my homepage PR has dropped from a 6 to a 5.

I could care less what the toolbar says, but it is something to ponder...

[Catalyst]

YEA! I had been wondering when my new blog would get ranked.

Just got a PR 4 and the blog is only 1 month old. Pretty good considering I have a TON of backlinks that arent even showing up yet. My blog is #1 on all the search engines for affiliate blogs and in the 5-20 range on most for SEO blogs, so I was hoping the PR out of the gate would be good with all the traffic and syndication I already have. I'm thrilled since my main site which I work the hell out of promoting and has lots of backlinks is still stuck at PR5.

[kdobson99]

I haven't really paid attention in the middle of an update before, but...

For one of my sites I always had a PR6 homepage and about 15 internal PR6 pages. When I use my favorite PR checking program that lists the PR of all pages of my site, it shows that I now have 1 PR6 page and the rest of the old PR6 pages are now PR5's. But, when I visit one of those pages, my toolbar (the Firefox version of the google toolbar) still shows a PR of 6.

So, should I assume that these pages will end up as PR5's, or is my toolbar correct and they will stay as 6's. How long does it take to get stable results again.

[Wizard]

Just a quick question concerning the pr update and SERP. Am I wrong in assuming that the updates in SERP related to your pr change already would have occured probable in the past 3 months since PR is actually updated on a constant basis.

Isn't the PR update simply google publishing numbers that already were in effect?

That's exactly what I think, and my observations seem to confirm - they update toolbar so rarely and show only outdated PR to make PR manipulation more difficult.

It's not a problem to me, I assume my current PR is not less than I see on the toolbar, as I gained more outbound links last month.

[brokenbricks]

Can someone please explain what I'm Doing wrong?

I took over hosting and updating a site about 2 months ago.

It was a page rank 2 when I took over, and had been online for nearly a year... since then I am now listed in Yahoo and DMOZ, Yahoo shows 60 backlinks while Google shows only 1.

I did not understand this as I know for a fact my page is linked to by several PR3 and PR4 pages and linked from an 'authority' site in my niche..but google doesnt show ANY of these backlinks...

Now I've been working hard producing new content and getting new links, expecting a nice PR jump when the time came, and this morning the site went from PR2 to PR1...

I can't understand it...to actually LOSE rank with all I've been doing...

any thoughts? why arent my backlinks showing up at all? why is my pr dropping if I'm getting new links new content and getting spidered frequently....

[robotsdobetter]

any thoughts? why arent my backlinks showing up at all? why is my pr dropping if I'm getting new links new content and getting spidered frequently....

Just because a web page that has a Page Rank 3 and links to you does not mean you'll get a Page Rank 3 too. In order to calculate how much Page Rank you should get from the link you need to find out how many links they have on the page, where your link is placed on the page and so on.

You should also remember that Page Rank in the toolbar may not be up to date and showing what your web site use to have.

[deanril]

Pretty weird stuff. Had strong PR5, toolbar says PR4 now, and Google Directory says PR6, should actually be a PR7 due to new PR8 links, lol!

[g1smd]

>> DMOZ shows 8 on my browser. Bluefind is still at 8 though for me? <<

www.dmoz.com and dmoz.com and www.dmoz.org show 8

dmoz.org is still a 9.

Try a site: search for each of those domains too.

[brokenbricks]

Understood...but my point was these backlinks don't even show up at all in google, while other engines show them...

and why would getting links decrease your pagerank rather than maintain or raise it...

[Sineater]

Backlinks helping you or hurting you really depend on if they were gotten naturally, or purchased. If they are natural, then this toolbar update probably won't help you since the factors that determine the toolbar PR are already figured into the current serps. If the links were purchased, then that can hurt you.

[nervo]

From PR0 to PR6 for 3 months.. I am happy but don't know why...

[Rollo]

Since this a rare opportunity to get everyone focused on the topic of page rank... which do you think is more important, toolbar or Google directory page rank (or are they both useless)?

Anyone care to opine? I have no idea.

[RichTC]

Have to say i cant work that out

Our sites showing PR5 on the site (no change) despite tons of content and links since the last update yet we have moved up in the directory and list with PR6 sites and above a good few of them!.

Meanwhile some PR6 sites that show as PR6 on their site homepage have either been dropped from the directory (my sector had 81 entries now 63)or moved down in one case with the PR4s!

Have to say i genuinely thought our site would move up a notch this update but it hasnt.

[steveb]

brokenbricks, the Google backlink command is just random. It shows no useful information. Ignore it.

[dyland]

It seems clear that the PR that is shown publicly is not reflected in the rankings why dont they just get rid of the public PR and then everybody could stop obessing about it and return to natural linking for visitors not google. I actually think that they are now rewarding content. I have a site with a PR 4 ranked next to sites with a PR 8 with 156 million pages competing for the ranked keyword. The content is great.

[McMohan]

why dont they just get rid of the public PR

I wouldn't be surprised if a PR update doesn't start a thread here in Google news or Google abandons/screws up TPR, the same time next year.

[robotsdobetter]

and why would getting links decrease your pagerank rather than maintain or raise it...

Maybe some of your old link partners removed the link to your site or maybe Google don't like them much as they use to.

I wouldn't be surprised if a PR update doesn't start a thread here in Google news or Google abandons/screws up TPR, the same time next year.

To many webmasters would be emailing Google everyday about it and many would drop the toolbar in a heart beat if they remove PR from the toolbar, so I doubt that will happen anytime soon.

[Wizard]

Understood...but my point was these backlinks don't even show up at all in google, while other engines show them...

The only way to check backlinks in Google is:

1. Check backlinks in Yahoo and hope Y doesn't have less that G ;)

2. Check Google cache of pages found with Y, if there is a link to you in their code.

3. Bear in mind that Google cache is updated frequently with freshbot, but links database may be updated slower, and so may be PageRank, so even if you see links there, they may be not counted yet.

And there is no doubt Google link: command shows nothing but rubbish - a random sample of your backlinks, mostly the worst one ;)

[kartiksh]

Older established sites homepages - PR5 since last 3 years

New update PR4

New two months old site with PR0 - Now PR5
Regularly updated PR4 site - NOW PR6
Small site with fewer updates - PR4 to PR6

Sites that are well established with PR5 or greater since long (about 3 yrs) and were not updated regularly PR4 now.

Hope this helps to others understand new algo.

thanks

[Natashka]

unfortunately, the only thing I understand is that older sites are dropping to PR4 and even PR3 (either regularly updated or not), while newborn sites are rapidly accelerating to PR6. I think it has nothing to do with Google's algo, just the fact that the new generation of webmasters are more SEO-minded, while older webmasters were more content-minded... IMHO.