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Seems to me that we're hearing a lot of new sites instantly getting good TPR and some older, more established sites are losing TPR. Obviously it's a bigger percentage jump in backlinks for a new site to go from 0 to 5 backlinks in a month than for an established site to go from 100 to 105. It's important that we don't lose sight of this part of the equation.
[edited by: dataguy at 12:23 pm (utc) on April 23, 2005]
If it doesn't make any difference, why are you pleased?
Because it's not only a marketing tool for Google to keep their toolbar attached to our web browsers, it's a marketing tool that webmasters can use to increase the perceived value of their web sites, often meaning more advertising revenue. However flawed it is, people do pay attention to toolbar PR, and it often translates into $$$ in webmasters pockets.
Looks to me that the directory is providing results based on content hence why some high PR sites low in content that have the PR given from links are falling back against some lower PR sites that are rich in content going up.
Also, google certainly prefers to give PR to static pages rather than Dynamic ones.
I do find this PR concept interesting. We have a quality website rich in content thats pure quality with on subject information updated on a regular basis (should be PR7 imo). Its a PR5 home page and gets given PR5 on various internal pages including say a one page of text article on "terms and conditions" for example which i dont get at all. Meanwhile its dynamic pages get zero PR but its static pages all do well.
On the other hand we have a chat forum, which whilst established has pages of gossip some of which is just worthless drivel yet it gains a PR6
I currently have no idea how this works other than to say that the PR5 quality content site sits higher in google directory (in its sector)than the PR6 chat forum, so content must come into this somewhere.
I know one site that (up until yesterday) had about 7 PR 8 pages and was selling text link ads, 40 on each page for $150 each. Do the math...
The thing is I've been observing the PR of the sites they've been linking to see if they would receive a boost... as far as I can tell, none seems to have recevied any benefit at all.
You should read up on it then. Pagerank is just about links. It has nothing to do with content. If you link to a terms and conditions page from your main page or from every page it will have high PR. That's all it is.
Whew! Thank goddess I am not alone with this problem. I also have a grey toolbar on every site. I even rebooted thinking that might be the issue, and my toolbar is still dead. The problem must be at Google's end.
Mine still works today.
Yesterday was the first time it had been used for very many weeks.
Sites that are well established with PR5 or greater since long (about 3 yrs) and were not updated regularly PR4 now.Hope this helps to others understand new algo.
Unless you have been steadily adding more links the last 3 years your link count has probably dropped because of sites going offline, etc.
I manage 27 sites and have been tracking Google vs Yahoo backlinks for almost a year. The amount of links google has been reporting has been steadily decreasing with every update. It used to be about 10% of what Yahoo shows, and now it's even less.
<Why are you so please on going from pr5 to 6>?
Easier to get sites to exchange links. Once you reach 6, its like hitting critical mass.
I have ensured that all link partners are linking to my homepage and not any sub-pages.
On one of the sites the homepage has a PR of 3 while most of the subpages have 4's and 5's and believe it or not 1 page actually has a pr6.
Anyone else seeing this?
now my home and some other main pages are PR3 with lower pages PR2
slowly climbing the ladder (this is an 8 month old site with about 200 pages)
<I have ensured that all link partners are linking to my homepage and not any sub-pages.
On one of the sites the homepage has a PR of 3 while most of the subpages have 4's and 5's and believe it or not 1 page actually has a pr6>
Your observation and the observations of the other friends in this thread support my thoughts that Google might have changed the variables in calculating PR in particular and evaluation of webpages in general.
I havenīt noticed an update of PR this time. However, I have noticed through a month or so that while my homepage retained its PR, few "old" pages got the gray bar. Common for those pages is that I either edited them or added more contents to them. At the beginning I thought that it was "an aging factor" added to the PR equation. Not so because 2 new pages I have added recently both got PR-0 . Just to be sure I had uninstalled/reinstalled the toolbar.
The new PR "behavior" that some of you have noticed might be explained as an attempt from Google to fight back on the trend of using the PR value as trading tools to sell/buy backlink in order to achieve "artificially" better positions on the serps.
I have mentioned in few of my previous posts that I see Google going in new directions that we are not used to.
My as well as fellow members observations in this thread are pointing in that direction.
I'm seeing this also, homepage pr5, most internal pages pr 5 or 6....One internal page Pr 7!
Thanks G, how am I suppossed to retain my link partners let alone get more to feed your dang algo?
One of my internal pages just got bumped from #6 to #7 for a particular search term.
All of the sites ahead of me are PR3, just like mine. When I check for links, they have only a fraction of the incoming links that I have. (One of the sites only has three that Google shows, and only about 140 or so showing in Yahoo).
The site that just bumped me has a page title that goes on forever and a keyword density that borders on spam.
All of the sites that are ahead of me, though, have been around for three to seven years. My site has only been around since last June.
The #2 site is one that I created three years ago, and I've done everything in terms of SEO with my new site that I did with the #2 site. It also has very few incoming links.
I can't see any rhyme or reason to their position or mine.
