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10:23 pm on Mar 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Noted a change in backlinks starting today - seems a small increase across sites I look at
2:39 pm on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have not seen any major changes re my own sites at least over the past two days, but have seen some changes in the SERPS.
2:41 pm on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Is it my imagination or is there a definite divide in the results:

Old results (i.e. not recently refreshed in at least the last 7 days) ranking well.

New results (i.e. those refrsehed within the last 3-4 days) ranking poorly in relative terms.

Monitoring about 20 key terms, I have found that all the results above the fold do not have arecent refrseh on them, the refreshed results only start to come into play further down the page.

2:48 pm on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Tinky that may be something we update daily, adding new content on a daily basis.

However some of the sites I have seen ranking for terms I am now looking at also do the same, but not for the search phrases I am looking for.

3:25 pm on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi VT,

I know that ;) - my point is that since 3 days ago and the latest 'shift in results' I have not seen this behaviour before for the keywords I have been monitoring.

I have three main competitors, I am the only one that adds new content (as I manage a 6000 big database of companies and these are constantly changing) as well as having changing information and over 600 genuine links from similar sites.

None of the competitors can match this and also do not have the links - therefore spidering and refresh is far less often I believe.

So, the refresh currently showing for my site is 25th March. On the Google results page (my default is 20 results) there is only one other site with any date showing).

This is not usual for these monitored listings.

My site and the other one with the refresh date are usually in the top 3/4 and have been for a while.

So, is this a massive update where they are slowly but surely going through all the results datacenter by datacenter to get a completely new set of results, or is it just one of those things?

4:39 pm on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi Tinkywinky,

I think you hasve something here.
Our site has ranked in the top 10 for about three years for our major keywords, the site was crawled on the 25th and we are now in position 670 for our top keys.
Not good, hope this will change soon.

Bek.

5:04 pm on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>the refreshed results only start to come into play further down the page.

I'm not seeing this, if anything it is the other way around.

5:05 pm on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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IMHO the best thing is to stay cool and wait. My SERPS are changing between heaven and hell these days. Maybe it will settle in the next few days, maybe not - Allegra made us holding breath for almost two weeks.
6:00 pm on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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yup looks like G is finally making some much needed changes to the algo. still seeing too much back link manipulation and other forms of spam, but it looks like they are on the right track again.
6:05 pm on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yeah this is crazy. Checked out a few phrases that I monitor and the sites that are in the top ten generally consist of scraper sites, tripod/geocities spam and directory listings. Only two relevant sites in the top 10.

I guess though, all we can do is sit and wait until it settles down a bit and then try to figure out what's happened.

6:17 pm on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)



Is there a pattern to the words that are being almost ignored? There's lots of talk about 'money words' and sandbox so perhaps there is a filter for certain types of words which has not been fully applied yet.

I don't think that's it, based on what I've been seeing. If it were, the emphasis in:

[place] travel

would probably be on [place], which normally isn't a "money word" by itself. Instead, the emphasis seems to be on "travel," resulting in SERPs that give greater weight to pages from Yahoo Travel, Expedia, Lonely Planet, and other sites that have untold thousands of "travel" pages but provide relatively little information on "[place]."

Obviously, it isn't easy to decide how best to allocate emphasis or weight on specific words in a multi-word phrase, and a one-size-fits-all solution is difficult to achieve. For example:

In a search on "Shelbyville travel," it might make more sense to put the emphasis on Shelbyville, since "travel" is a generic term that will yield millions of results and anyone searching on that phrase is interested specifically in Shelbyville.

But in a search on "carrot juicers," it might make more sense to place more emphasis on juicers because the person who's looking for a carrot juicer is interested in appliances, not vegetables.

So who knows--maybe Google is playing around with word emphasis, causing big changes for some searches. On the other hand, it could simply be that the "authority" factor hasn't yet been introduced, and that--when authority or theme is taken into account--a search on "Shelbyville travel" will yield more pages with a substantial number of internal or inbound links related to "Shelbyville" than we're seeing now.

6:42 pm on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>...more pages with a substantial number of internal or inbound links related to "Shelbyville"

That makes sense to me. Throughout my site the placename is the anchor text to deeper pages and this will hopefully kick in more and more. I'm a great beliver in hilltop and this would explain much of what I'm seeing. In other words, anchor text from authority sites plus internal themes still have to be fully implimented.

7:19 pm on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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IMHO

it aint over yet

too much activity between DCs

it has been going on since at least 3rd feb and still is.

This thread got some attention because of the back link movement but the rest of the *strange* 'goings on' never subsided.

If Googleguy hadn't stated that the update was done (back in early Feb) then I would have said we are still in the middle of it.

Looks like it aint over to me, either Googleguy is in the dark too :O), they have realised that whatever filter they have been playing with has screwed their results, or they are just simply playing with us at WebmasterWorld ;o).

I have been using teoma to find research stuff, trying to find some stuff in g at the minute is too much work!

We have our traffic back to pre-allegra levels (and more, except on sites that suffered from the 302 mess) so from a business point of view I couldnt' care less about the state of the SERPS, but as a user I would like to see this crap resolved.

Dazz

7:36 pm on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)



#screwed their results#
there is nothing wrong with Google results .It's always "bad" (in every update)only for those that they have lost there privilege to be on the top 10.During alegra some had there lessons and as i can see from the serps the ones that fixed there mistakes are rewarded in this new update ,and i believe there are many that's why the thread is not covering 50 pages.If you are happy you just enjoy and not moaning and as i can see here only few are moaning ,that means that this probably is one of the best Google's updates.(ie more happy webmasters then sad ones)
7:46 pm on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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that fixed there mistakes are rewarded in this new update

sounds to me like you are confusing the 302 *problem* with allegra

we have sites that HAVE NOT BEEN TOUCHED and have still recovered from Allegra

totally unrelated IMO (apart from the obvious addition of new pages)

<edit>clarity i hope</edit>

8:13 pm on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)



this probably is one of the best Google's updates.(ie more happy webmasters then sad ones)

What does the happiness or sadness of Webmasters have to do with the quality of Google's updates?

8:14 pm on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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For one of our main keywords, a site I have never heard of started to appear on page 1 of the SERPS a couple of months back and has hovered there ever since. It gets fresh dates and changes on a daily basis anywhere between position 5 and 10.
Only thing is there is nothing there and hasn't been at any point in that time period. You click on the result and it can't find the page! That can't be right?
2:25 am on Mar 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What does the happiness or sadness of Webmasters have to do with the quality of Google's updates?

I agree. For every happy webmaster, there has to be an unhappy one. Whats more important is the relevance and quality of the results (which are usually biased opinions).

just my 2 cents

wellzy

2:52 am on Mar 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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After the whole 302 duplicate content thing my site went through I'm just happy to be in google at all. Though if I we're #1 for a search term with 10,000 queries a day I'd be happier :D
2:52 am on Mar 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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At what point does an update now become official and get its own name. I notice that hasn't happened yet.
5:35 am on Mar 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This may sound dense, but I still don't have any clear idea who or what
names these updates, 'florida' and so forth. Do the names come from Google,
or does somebody here just pull them out of a hat? -Larry
6:30 am on Mar 28, 2005 (gmt 0)



Larry,

The folks who operate WebmasterWorld name them. They are named liked hurricanes; first one of the year starts with "A," the next one with "B," and so on.

This year we had the Allegra update, so the next one will be given a name starting with "B."

6:39 am on Mar 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"At what point does an update now become official and get its own name. I notice that hasn't happened yet"
wait after today when easter holiday will be over and many will be back home (webmasters and forum owners)
7:53 am on Mar 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Atticus wrote
This year we had the Allegra update, so the next one will be given a name starting with "B."

Here in the UK we have just the word to sum it all up then....

(And yes, I'm not going there...)
DerekH

8:32 am on Mar 28, 2005 (gmt 0)



{This year we had the Allegra update, so the next one will be given a name starting with "B."}
starting with B like.......Bealertnextmonththeresisanewupdate
that's a good name :)
9:43 am on Mar 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It really seems to me that they are not fully counting PR as of right now.
10:34 am on Mar 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Atticus, that explains it.

Back to the "Backlinks Updated Today thread:"

I checked link:www.mysite.net on Google. I found the same exact number
of (displayed) links, and the same cast of characters as a week ago,
a month ago .. etc etc.
I know there have been changes, but they don't show on that display. -Larry

2:35 pm on Mar 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Here in the UK we have just the word to sum it all up then....

LOL - I can think of one too. Sounds like "ollocks" is a good contender ;)

As I said before I have not lost or gained in this sweep - but the results around me have most definitely got worse in more topics than not!

2:41 pm on Mar 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"This year we had the Allegra update, so the next one will be given a name starting with "B." "

I guess; ciml & vitaplease & lawman & Brett Tabke shall decide on "BOMBAY" :-)

4:49 pm on Mar 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Anyone see a backlink update overnight? The count has changed for a couple of my sites, back to the same number as before the weekend. Not seeing a change in traffic yet though.

<update>I'm seeing the link count fluctuate back and forth now..Traffic is still painfully low.</update>

5:21 pm on Mar 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have been getting some REALLY strange results from Google the past 2-3 days. Sites that should be on the first page are nowhere in sight, other pages with no content at all, no text, no links, no PR are showing up ahead of millions of other sites.

And our backlinks seem to change by the hour. Something ... odd... going on with Google I think. And the Google Dance sites show 3 identical results.

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