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11:35 pm on Jan 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Is anyone else seeing these changes in the serps?
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5:49 pm on Jan 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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jo1ene - i'm seeing the same thing but inconsistently.

Keywords only in the headings does well?

A large established site (keyword stuffed) fell from #7 to #15 (OK I deserved that).

Even bigger authority site with sparse mention of the main keywords went from #12 to #8. no clue as to why.

Several large sites have popped into the top 10 are targeted at the broader one word term "widgets" and incidentally rank for my targetted phrase "widget activities"

12:48 pm on Jan 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I haven't really been watching the SERPs as I can rarely find any of my sites where I would expect them to be. I just tend to look at how much traffic I get which goes up!

Anyway, I did some KW research today, mostly on place names and what a load of junk!. You can just see Google trying to be clever and prevent spamming, but obviously at the cost of 100s of quality sites that should be up there.
Google's age bias isn't doing it any favours either. Problem is the longer sites have been around the more likely they are to have been monetized so lots of these high ranking sites are just advatorial junk.

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My site is spidered by google every 48hrs so I can see the impact of changes quite quickly.

stripping the out on-page keywords i.e. relying on off-page inbound links only (with keyword anchor text), I go UP from 10th to 3rd for that keyword within 48hrs. Add in on-page keyword in Title, H1 & H2 + sprinkling italic, bold and drop DOWN again!

Currently just gone down to 10th, I'm going to remove keywords from page.

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I have three site above me with no mention of a particular phrase in their page, titles, link or backlinks. Yes I chcked it all.

I do not know of any way of checking there are no backlinks, as Google always only shows a sample of backlinks, not all the backlinks.

The other reason pages can rank well without the keywords is that Google sometimes uses synonyms as well as exact keyword matches, although I have only seen this on less competitive multiple keyword search terms.

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I'm going to remove keywords from page

I'd be suprised (but interested) if that worked. It would be pretty good proof that content is no longer king!
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Well in regards to contents vs. links out of personal experience I rank in the top 5 for a two word keyword with 5 million results and pretty hard to achieve rankings for, without even mentioning it on my pages.

The way to do it is to first have some synonyms, which you can find out by typing "~keyword -keyword" in Google, without the quotes of course. Incorporate the synonyms in your website as you would normally do.

Then launch a nice manually done link campaign with good variety of the synonyms and more focus on the excluded keywords.

it will take a few months but you will rank better than people with the keyword all over their pages.

However, I don't think it is worth the effort, unless you are an SEO firm trying to prove that all the other SEOs putting emphasis on contents are wrong.

Of course contents and links are both important, it is just the percentage that moves up and down based on which search engine you are trying to target. Google: links a bit more, Yahoo! contents: a bit more etc.

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>...without even mentioning it on my pages.
>The way to do it is to first have some synonyms...

This is one of the most interesting ideas/facts I have read within the past couple of months. Anyone any more evidence or details on that?

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I am seeing radical changes in the serps, Sites that were top #300 are now in top #50.

The top #500 has brand new faces.

Its a massive shakeup, good results though!

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Are you seeing it on a specific IP?
7:54 am on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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216.239.59.104
8:05 am on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Are any sandboxed/freezed sites ranking higher on this new IP?
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I'm not seeing any changes.
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Me either...Same old Google! You would think with all the crawling it has done over the last week or so something was in the works though. That IP doesn't show anything new for any of my sites and the SERPS look the same to me. All I can do is hope Google has pulled their head out of their as*es and abandoned their sandbox, rectified page highjacking, old cache dates, etc..

With as much bandwidth googlebot has taken from my sites over the last few weeks their better be some improvement or I will be modifying my robots.txt to exclude googlebot from all of my sites very soon! It might not be the smartest thing on my part to do but I'm sick of Google spidering my site and finding they tag it with supplemental result.

Until then.....Bring the heat MSN!

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Saw the changes for about two hours last night on regular SERPs - then back to the normal. Hopefully gearing up for one
12:19 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm seeing mostly minor changes in my odd niche, sites moving up or down by 1 or 2 slots.
One exception is a large site with 99% scraped content, text and images copied without
permission and phony .php links back to the original contributors.
That one fell back about 10 slots into second page.

For comparison, my favorite keyword spammer only fell back one slot.
My site was unaffected. - Larry

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I am seeing major shuffles in the top 10 or 15 for a very competitive word. On the 17th, when I started this topic, mine was jumping from the top of the second page to the top of the first page, but now it seems like there is less resonance: it is jumping between 8,9,10,11,12 ;)

Definitely not settled... the first page looks like a boiling pot. And on the same IP address I kept getting different results every other second. Once I queried the keyword, and did not find my site in the first page.... by the time I clicked to go to the second page, it was not there either, so when I clicked back to the first page it had jumped there!

I really hope this all settles down early next month!

I wish GoogleGuy was here to clarify stuff.

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Any idea the IP your seeing this on?
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Just noticed its starte again - this time the results have dropped considerably in number so it looks like theyre bringing in an update database
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Take a look at [216.239.37.104...]

My sandboxed site used to rank 45th for its own name. Showing around 150 on the above center.

The site has about 600 pages of unique content. When using the site:www.sitename.com query, it is only showing links that used to show as supplemental (links to pfd files that I no longer show.)

It is like google is punishing this website on me. The harder I work writing more content, the deeper it gets buried.

The referals I get from Google are only those showing less than 10 (yes 10) results. Funny queries people enter using quotes. The site is doing very well in Yahoo and MSN (both versions). I get more referals from Ask (which only has 53 pages in its index) than Google (which shows 550). Very frustrating when I see garbage ahead of me.

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That URL for the datacenter is an ongoing work in progress - site commands have been showing pages that havent existed on sites for over a year - sometimes as normal links and sometimes as supplemental results - its alternating the quantity as well.
I checked that URL an hour ago and it showed 70 mill results for my main keyword - now its showing 355 mill - so I dont think the fluxing is done just yet
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I still see situations where pages with links to the sandboxed site outrank the sandboxed site for the site title.

The sandbox certainly has it's drawbacks when it comes to quality results.

Goodbye Google. Hello MSN. :)

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Goodbye Google. Hello MSN. :)

I second that notion and furthermore I am saying goodbye to my $100,000 a year advertising with adwords as well! MSN now ranks my sites extremely well for free and so does Yahoo. Google on the other hand does nothing but spider my site and tag the results supplemental! Goodbye with your adwords Google!

Bring the heat MSN!

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There have been some pretty major changes in my little corner of the world today. It's gone from bad to comical. For my broadest search term the top two are a double listing from one of the major auction sites. As a matter of fact 8 out of the top 10 are major "shopping" and "comparison" sites. I used to get pretty upset about such things but this is laughable. There are only two sites in the top 10 that are even valid listings. Boy did somebody hit the wrong lever!
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A-D-W-O-R-D-S! :>~

IPO ..... Bottom line! :>~

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A-D-W-O-R-D-S! :>~
IPO ..... Bottom line! :>~

Nope, they aren't that dumb. They're just getting ready for this year's version of Florida. :-)

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I second that notion and furthermore I am saying goodbye to my $100,000 a year advertising with adwords as well!

YAWN.

The ONLY reason (from a business standpoint) for abandoning an adwords campaign is if you are unable to maintain profitability with it. If your reasoning for "saying goodbye" to your adwords campaign is based on the "principle" that google won't give you the free traffic you "think" you deserve, it just doesn't make good business sense.

It would be like Mcdonald's saying "NBC isn't giving our free press releases enough air time, so let's not pay for anymore advertising with them."

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Today, the 31st of January, I am seeing HUGE bounce backs from the December 14th changes. Serps are doing better than they were before. A grand day in the world of google for me!
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The results I reported yesterday on 216.239.37.104 have now replicated over to the primary index.

Google is now only showing results that were previously classified as supplemental in their index for my sandboxed site. This website has 600 pages of content (hand written, researched, content). Google now shows 87 pages that no longer even exist on the site.

After showing for 6 months as #1 for my website's name (which it should), it is now burried at 150+.

I am normally very positive about Google, but if they are looking to punish new sites, then they have reached that goal.

[edited by: BillyS at 3:52 pm (utc) on Jan. 31, 2005]

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These results are terrible. I can't believe some of the elementary spam techniques that are getting through.

Domain power has never been stronger. I'm seeing some absolute garbage ranking high due to the domain that the doorway pages are hosted on. Nothing else could be supporting the pages.

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Again the results I see on most of the datacenters dont have all of the SERPs added in yet - they are still tweaking - although no one has called this an update yet
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