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9:09 pm on Sep 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thanks dazz. You took the words right out of my mouth. :)

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I think I like reading the anxst, paranoia, hopes and dreams leading up to the update rather than the real update thread itself. It's always the same "I did great!"..."I did awful!" * 100
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>I think I like reading the anxst, paranoia, hopes and dreams leading up to the update rather than the real update thread itself. It's always the same "I did great!"..."I did awful!" * 100

I tend to agree. I think the mods made a mistake closing that pre-update thread. A whole lot more interesting than the update thread, because as you say it is just people posting of joy, grief, or the fact things stayed about the same for them. It really isn't until the update is finished that any interesting threads about it start coming. Such as analysis about if possible tweaks that have been made in the algo in the latest update, emphasizing certain things more, and other things less, etc.

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LOL of course you and me were sent to bed without our supper last night, huh rfgdxm1?
But they couldn't make us sleep!
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>How to tell if the Google Update or 'Dance' has started<

It used to be that you just watched for the WW "Recent Posts" page to go crazy with "Is it started?", "Yes it's started", "No it isn't started", "Oh my gawd - it has started!" threads. When they comprised of 25% of the page, it was pretty likely the update had started... ;)

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I have a "war board" in my office (big white board where I write all my projects, ideas and leads). On the top is "The Dance is coming" and we all use to start to read the forum and take a break for the hohum of everyday. It use to be a lot of fun. Very exciting time. Why is it gone?
10:44 pm on Sept 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Great post dazz!
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You know since gg knows that everybody does this link:yahoo.com thing. GG could have a lot of fun with some simple code. GG could slip through an update but keep the backlinks constant till the update is over, or gg could modify the backlinks and not do an update.
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>You know since gg knows that everybody does this link:yahoo.com thing. GG could have a lot of fun with some simple code. GG could slip through an update but keep the backlinks constant till the update is over, or gg could modify the backlinks and not do an update.

The latter wouldn't work long. We'd quickly spot it was the same. However, this board *would* explode if just the backlinks for link:www.yahoo.com changed. "What do you mean the dance hasn't started? Check the backlinks, fool." ;)

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Ok, let's clear this up once and for all! Here is the REAL GOOGLE DANCE! [google.com]

How do we get one of those dandy "Dancing Google" T-Shirts GoogleGuy?

11:26 pm on Sept 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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rfgdxm1: damn it, maybe we should print out some threads from here and submit them for the Booker Prize!
11:27 pm on Sept 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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How about the return of Googlebot? Doesen't the bot return soon after the update starts. I just noticed that Googlebot returned to my site today and wonder if that means an update is lurking?

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There seems to be no real trend to how google crawls and the update. Crawling is not a good test for updates.
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Great info and an incredible post...Dazz...;)

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We usually see the update start before Googlebot shows up again. However, this month is different. We are getting deep crawled by Googlebot right now and have been for the past two days. This reminds me of the delayed update earlier in the year when the update was about two weeks late. May be history repeating itself.
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Okay, this might be a silly question, but why doesn't GoogleGuy just tell everyone when it's going to happen? Is there some disadvantage to webmasters knowing in advance? Well, other than lower profits for the alcohol industry.

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I think he doesn't say because if he told us once...we'd never leave him alone. So safer to just not say at all.
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But if he told us once a month, a little before the dance, then everyone would quit posting, "I think it's happening!". "No, it isn't!" "Oooh, I see some different results." "That's just Everflux." "Quit asking if it's happening, we'll tell you when it's happening." "No, I want to talk about it." "Okay, this is what it looks like when it's happening." "Really? That's cool." "Hey, why won't GoogleGuy tell us when it's happening?" ;)

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>There seems to be no real trend to how google crawls and the update. Crawling is not a good test for updates.

Definitely not. And, there is no apparent sense to how Googlebot crawls sometimes. My other site, which of is of 2 pages at the moment, had both pages crawled by Googlebot *four* times in the last 24 hours! It is things like that that tend to make me paranoid Googlebot somehow just doesn't trust me. However, since neither page has changed in over a month, I've just gotta figure Googlebot was a little bit drunk today. ;)

11:46 pm on Sept 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>We usually see the update start before Googlebot shows up again. However, this month is different. We are getting deep crawled by Googlebot right now and have been for the past two days. This reminds me of the delayed update earlier in the year when the update was about two weeks late. May be history repeating itself.

The update isn't late. Check the update chart on this site. The update has happened on the 24th and 25th day of the month a number of times this year. The update is merely due, not overdue.

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Loved the post! It (and also because my web server is down!) actually made me look for my webmasterworld login information and reply after some months!

Now that I moved pretty close to the plex [of course, just for the love of Google! ;)], the update is taking place later than usual!

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So how much of a difference are we looking for on the three servers?
Ie Right now, www1 is showing 40000 more links for MSN, 70000 more for Yahoo and 24000 for MSN than www2 and www3 do.

edited for spelling - ok I'm a little update happy :p

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Showing exactly the same to me!
8:38 am on Sept 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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What about me? ;)

Seriously, I have sites that should be gaining many links this update. Is their any reason to watch the big sites like yahoo, etc backlinks rather than those of my sites.

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Seriously, I have sites that should be gaining many links this update. Is their any reason to watch the big sites like yahoo, etc backlinks rather than those of my sites.

Yes, there is. We know that the amount of links for Yahoo and Google will change in each update, as with your website you said that people should be linking to you.

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My site will definitely be gaining links as it didn't even exist at the time of the last update. It's in DMOZ and it's been linked to by other listed sites, so I'm pretty confident of seeing activity.
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You say your site didn't exist at the time of the last update.....again probably not a good site to use to check on an update with! ;) Just stick to the biggies....at least you know they will be listed.
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In addition to what Dazz said, many new sites are appearing in the DB, although the real monthly update hasn't occurred yet.
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Well, like I've said before, I'm new to this whole dance phenomenon. I was only trying to find out how frequently Google updated, I stumbled across it and now I'm kinda hooked by the tension....
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Your not the only one sw8296...im betting 99% of people that come on here look forward to the Google Update.
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