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2:57 pm on Jul 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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beta google on aol [dirweb01.search.aol.com]
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This is really bad. I have just bought a new dedicated server with my UK host, but had I known this I would seriously have considered hosting in the US. I was really looking forward to the expected 10-15% bump in sales when Google started to serve the AOL results. :( This sucks.
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AOL new search is netscape.com's results 'Bang On' for my main keyword.
Which is a downer as im hosted in UK :(
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To resume, is it right that AOL and Netscape only shown sites hosted in US ?
If yes is it definitive ?
if not is it just during the beta-test ?
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Ultimately it's up to AOL and they have a track record of keeping a very tight rein on their environment. That's why so many AOL users don't know there's a web outside of AOL.

The decision to not display .com.au sites means I'll be missing a lot of traffic. As to whether this will change, it's up to how much the AOL community want to see results from outside the US. My bet is they won't even care - just take a look at how much interest there is in foreign TV, music, etc. AOL has the opportunity to open up the world to it's users and it looks like being another huge bungle coming up.

And if I was Google, I'd be very concerned at seeing their precious results turing out the way they do. Brand contamination? I don't think it gets much uglier. Google has prided itself on being as global as possible, translating different domains into different languages, etc. They've done a deal with one of the most short sighted, blinkers-on, "control our users" organisations on the planet, and Google have let them roll it out the AOL way. Look at the difference in how Yahoo and AOL have used Google's results and you'll see how different the companies are.

Let's just hope AOL users decide to check out Google for themselves and realise they should do their searches there instead.

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Well folks, I'm afraid the filtering for US based sites is not just beta.
In Germany they did the exact same thing: only sites hosted in Germany are in, not sites in german language hosted elsewhere.
It does not make any sense at all, but AOL has done this for many weeks now.
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Filtering by domain or where the site is hosted is absurd. Foreign domains are often owned by Americans and hosted outside of the US for many reasons. Likewise, plenty of people outside of the US own .com domains that are hosted in the US. For every one of my .com.au site that won't be displayed, I own the corresponding .com domain also which shows how silly it is. If I encouraged links to the .com domain instead of .com.au, Google would instead drop the .com.au version as the duplicate, and voila! I'd be in AOL's results.

In my case, AOL users do lose out. One of the sites is a travel agency that specialises in inbound travel from the USA. Because of the weak Aussie $$ and the way travel is sold, we can always provide better rates than US agents can. I'm sure there's plenty of other examples, so AOL does no service to their users by restricting the scope of their search results.

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All of my sites rank fairly well in Google and all are Canadian-hosted, and none show up in the beta results. Although the sites target Canadians consumers, the primary market is aimed for Americans (which account for 95% of sales).

AOL Canada can't possibly ignore all .com US sites, this is where the majority of Canadians find their content. So I am banking on the fact AOL USA will filter out all international content for Americans and include US content on the international AOLs (even if they are not doing that now). And if they don't it won't be a major loss to me... which is why I intend on having my sites US-hosted soon!!!

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What's the deal w/ these listings?

I've been getting visitors from AOL all day, but I'm not listed in Google yet...are the AOL Sponsored results Google Adwords Select listings? (I do use Adwords occasionally)

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Thus far, I can't complain. :)
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Could the results on this beta site be taken from the new index this month for google?
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That's what I'm wondering (hoping). :-)
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For research i sure hope the give the U.S. the same option as [search.aol.co.uk...] [ ] World sites or [ ] only USA sites.
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I just want to make sure I understand this so far. These results are not showing sites "hosted" by a hosting company that is located outside of the US or are they not showing sites that are like .co.uk?

I am in the US, and I have a site that is hosted by a company in Canada and it is not showing in these results. It is still just a .com though, and most of this site's audience is from the US. Everything about this site is US except my choice of hosting company. Just happened to like this web hosting company, which just happens to be in Canada.

Is this keeping me out of these AOL/Google serps? If so, this is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen. I'd have to change my web hosting company just to be in these serps? This is almost too funny to be stupid.

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Let me ask this because I am a bit confused - as usual... My sites are .com sites but my server is hosted in Canada. Would this affect our listings as nothing on my servers is coming up in this database?

(Perfection you beat me to it! ;) )

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Yep - Very stupid but that seems to be how it is...
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Anything hosted in Canada or anything with a .ca is out of this index.
Makes no sense when AOL has a huge presence in Canada. Plus the amount of e-commerce trade going both ways across the border is in the billions and climbing every day.
I hope this is just a test or I will put up doorway pages on American servers in a few weeks.
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Am I missing something? When I go to AOL (yes, I am one of "those," too) and do a search, I get the Inktomi results. All the commentary in this thread may be way premature. From where I am sitting in California, GOOGLE AIN'T PROVIDING THE RESULTS! But maybe this new index will be live at AOL where I am tomorrow. ;)
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>For research i sure hope the give the U.S. the same option as [search.aol.co.uk...] [ ] World sites or [ ] only USA sites.

My site is totally absent from these new "aolgoogle" engines, apparently because my site has a .ws extension. On Google my site is on page 1 for 4 of the 5 main search words/terms. And, there is no option for a world search. I do come up high on [search.aol.co.uk...] with that world sites option, which is the default. My site is in English, and while the primary user base is in the US, because the topic is of worldwide interest I get users from all over the planet. While I can understand such stupidity from AOL, I'm surprised and dismayed that Google would allow itself to be involved in something as bad as this. If this isn't changed, I'll definitely be adding to my Usenet .sig (I make over 100 posts daily to Usenet) a "Boycott Google/AOL censorship" hate message directed at both, and a link to a page on my site comndemning both Google and AOL as evil. Perhaps I'll even add to the top of my home page "The site Google/AOL don't want you to see".

Just consider the implications of this truly disreputable policy. Got a .co.uk website about Shakespear or The Beatles? Google/AOL, to sanitize their search results for the protection of the American public, will make sure to censor it from the SERPs. Amazing that Google would lower itself for money to let AOL run search results, with the Google name on the page, that didn't even give the user an *option* for searching world sites. IMO, Google should be ashamed. Hopefully they see the light.

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Beachboy...

I don't see them either if I search directly from the AOL interface. But if I enter the URL: Search.aol.com Then the new google serps are showing up for me.

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4crests:

Weird. I tried going to: search.aol.com as you did. You got Google results, I still get Inktomi here in Calif. And this phenomenon we shall henceforth refer to as the AOL Dance. LOL

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OK so it doesn't look beta to me if normal everyday users can get to it by clickin on the "Search" link in the main navigation.

But then again I don't think many of their users use that link as I see NO referals from AOL today and I come up #3 for my main search that google seds ton of traffic for.

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Beachboy---

I just did a seach.aol.com and get the new Google enhanced results and I live in S. California.

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Doc,

I live right next to AOL's corporate headquarters in Dulles, VA.............. When I go to search.aol.com and perform a search, I still see Inktomi results. Its strange how some people see Google results, but others (like myself) still see Inktomi)

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Hello Doc,

I'm also in Southern California. I just now tested search within AOL, it's still Inktomi. And I did a test at search.aol.com, and for me it's still Inktomi. Looks like they must be rolling it out incrementally.

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Well from Olympia, WA I see the same-ole AOL.

I checked the beta version out and it seems beta to me. Did any see the advertisements that come up at the top of the page for keywords?

YECK! very distracting, they should place it on the left and wrap the lines.

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Beachboy---

I just did a aol.com search for my domain, got the old listings, then shortened the url to seach.aol.com and got the new enhanced by Google listings, rather odd.

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Yeah, I am seeing it intermittently. I've been checking about once an hour all day, and see the Google results about 50% of the time and the same old INK serps the rest of the time.

I'm also in Washington State.

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It's still there, but you have to use the beta adr:

[dirweb01.search.aol.com...]

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What's interesting is I am getting the new results when I go to aol.com and conduct a search. However, if I actually use my aol software I still get the old inktomi stuff. That might explain low referral numbers for the first day. It might not be rolled out to all their millions of users yet.
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I tried now, and results are rotating: sometimes Inktomi and sometimes Google.

The Google results are better than yesterday, but still not the same as in Google.

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