Sandboxed Sites - Back Together?

Do they come out together or one by one?

[McMohan]

Most of the new sites that I work with are still in the sandbox. Was just curios to know, if all the sanboxed sites come out of the sandbox during one fine major updation or one by one, over the rolling updates?

That is to say, should one be checking to see if the sites are out of the sandbox regularly or only when they know there is a major Google update? :)

Thanks

Mc

[Powdork]

For anyone that thinks Google indexes new sites as well as the competition, try these searches on Google and then Y!

le soleil catering
vote mike weber
tradewinds bar kings beach
lake tahoe forums

If I had time to look up all the new sites in my area rather than just the ones I know about off hand, the list of searches that return the site in Y! and not Google would be as long as the list of new sites.

IMO this is proof that G is either intentionally keeping new sites from ranking or they are unable to add new sites to their main index. I think it is the latter which is why you won't hear from Googleguy. To admit this would be to admit that they duped their shareholders.

[Vec_One]

I think it looks bad either way.

#1. To purposely stop ranking new sites would tantamount to admitting that they have given up on their algo.

#2. If it’s beyond their control, Google is seriously broken and becoming more obsolete every minute.

Whatever the reason, it doesn’t seem to be affecting Yahoo! and M$N. It’s just a matter of time until the public figures that out.

BTW, I agree that it's probably reason #2.

[Teshka]

Teshka before spending 7*$299 you may want to consider that the most likely reason for your blog's success is that it resides in a folder of a non sandboxed site, not the Y! listing.

The typepad address is no older than the blog (and I have another blog at the same spot that I built up links to and that seems to be sandboxed... gets traffic from links and Yahoo but only rarely from Google). If you mean the non-sandboxed site is typepad and the success is from being listed on their domain, then anyone who put a site on their ISP would quickly do well which I'm sure is not the case. I might be misreading you though.

[dvduval]

Google still does a great job of indexing pages like:

"This page has moved. You will soon be forwarded to our new site."

This has been ranking #3 for about 2 years. It is old and has backlinks.

There is the Google sandbox for you. Bring on MSN.

[Powdork]

If you mean the non-sandboxed site is typepad and the success is from being listed on their domain, then anyone who put a site on their ISP would quickly do well which I'm sure is not the case. I might be misreading you though.

Nope, thats what I meant. I think the Y! listing is helping you alot with your blog because it resides on a non-sandboxed doamin. I doubt it will be enough to pull a domain out of the sandbox.

[phantombookman]

I don't see this as an index or technical problem.
Were it down to capacity then they would surely restrict the sites in the index or the number of pages.

As it is were a sandboxed site to rise in the rankings it would just push another site down into its place.

I think Google see this as anti spam, it is so easy and cheap to build sites nowadays I think they believe that this will disuade the highly optimised short term spammer.

It certainly works at reducing new sites as I have lost 3 site commissions recently as soon as people hear "it could take 6 months + before you appear anywhere"

[McMohan]

What makes me believe in such thing called as sandbox is, the sites (with proper whitehat optimization) rank either 200+ or in top 20 or thereabouts when out of the sandbox, for moderately competed for terms. Never in the region of 50-100?

One of the new finance related sites that I am working on, I know there only 20 to 30 companies in that particular niche, but the site won't rank within 500! Google decides to show pages that have 2 words of the phrase mentioned separately non-contextually. If only the sites were not sandboxed, the SERPs would have been a lot better.

Mc

[seoArt]

I started a new site, new domain name, last week. It's already in the SERP's.

Maybe you guys are tripping the "over" optimization filter. You know, it is possible to trip that with "white hat" optmization.

I've done it before in the past. I shy away from the combination of kw in title, H1, Anchor text, and high kw density.

I find all those things to be good, but all of them together gets me filtered out.

Or sandboxed?!? Since February is a long time guys. I would be looking at other reasons that your site's not getting indexed properly.

[mark1615]

I don't know seoART - I think the experience of a number of people (me included) is that you can use the exact same techniques on an older site and a brand new site and the old site moves up in the SERPs and the new site is ignored. This would suggest that it is not the technique.

And here is one of my persistent questions: What exactly is "over-optimization?"

This is a term that is thrown around all the time, but does not seem to have a specific definition.

[Vec_One]

seoArt, is your new site in the SERPs for competitive search terms? Is it in the top 10 results?

[Elixir]

Our "sandboxed" sites have started to appear in the serps. All are over 6 months old. Some came out slowly, some dramtically from not one keyword in the top 10 to 90% over night.

It is my opinion that there was indeed a sandbox but it was associated with Google's resources diverted to the update of their index and I do not think it was deliberate. The next few months will tell as we put up new sites and see if the delay is the same.

Every day I have users ask what is happening to Google as they know I am in the industry. They are all moving to other Search Engines. The poor quality of the results are now hurting them. Google are not stupid and must know it so lets see if things get back to normal. "Normal" being up to date results and not old stale stuffy sites.

Having said all this we have been making a killing with old sites that we have SEO'd with even very competitive keywords racing to the top 10 two weeks after they have been optimized. Our clients love us so the sandbox has helped us in that respect. To be on the safe side we tell new sites they can expect to wait for 6-12 months to see results in Google just in case Google has gone mad and this sandboxing thing is a permannt fixture.

[seoArt]

Let me clarify. No, my site is not showing up for what I consider to be competitive kw phrases.

But I've never had a site do well for the really competitive stuff right from the start even years before the whole "sandbox" idea came about.

Keep in mind, it's only slightly over a week old. I doubt most of its backlinks have even been indexed yet. (btw - Yahoo hasn't indexed it yet)

mark1615: I think I stated "exactly" what over-optimization was in my last post.
over optimization= kw(title) + kw(h1) + kw(high copy density) + kw(all backlinks)

[cbpayne]

over optimization= kw(title) + kw(h1) + kw(high copy density) + kw(all backlinks)

So how come I have sites that do that and rank numero uno for kw

[Broadway]

If "over optimization= kw(title) + kw(h1) + kw(high copy density) + kw(all backlinks)" then why does this receipe work so well (and instantly) for my 4 year old site and getting it's pages in the top 10 for its keywords and phrases.

[Granted I can only SEO the first three factors, as far as the 1000's of backlinks this site has I have little control over text used in each backlink.]

[graywolf]

You don't think they might want to keep things stable and stock prices high while Google founders to offload 14 million shares [webmasterworld.com]. Anybody remember all the negative press they got after "Florida" last year? Imagine how that would affect stock prices.