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5:35 pm on Oct 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Backlinks - updated today in the UK
7:33 am on Oct 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Noticed this about six hours ago... they were rolled back on all the datacenters but six. Now they are rolled back on all of them.

Just when you think they can't get any more weird...

10:02 am on Oct 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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i think they had a few problems. Backlinks disappeared completely on one site I have.
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-Google has three things in place that attack newbies, and make money for experienced players:
lag time
pagerank display update delay and inaccuracy
garbage backlink display
Each of these make experienced people money, and act as an attack on newbies-
spot on Steveb.
12:35 pm on Oct 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Whatever motives Google has for screwing up their backlinks search results, they are driving a small number of users to Yahoo for a specific type of search. But there lies a slippery slope....
12:50 pm on Oct 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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crush...i think they had a few problems..
pas de calais! pas de calais! are you an isider of G?
let us know of the latest secrets...mon dieux..mon dieux..
12:51 pm on Oct 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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steveb...Noticed this about six hours ago...
are you in Dover Castle at the operation cabinet?
1:23 pm on Oct 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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2 excellent posts Brixton! Keep it up.
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crush...i think they had a few problems..
pas de calais! pas de calais! are you an isider of G?
let us know of the latest secrets...mon dieux..mon

Hey Brixton, you been smoking some of dat weed from da brothers outside brixton tube ;)

Since googleguy left I am all you guys have ;)

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I stoped following toogle PR and backlinks updates about half a year ago. This information is shown false on purpose.

Stop

2:00 pm on Oct 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>>This information is shown false on purpose.

I don't believe it is completely false, but it is not completely accurate either. I use it gauge how well I am doing compared to the competition. So I pay attention to the backlinks and ignore the PR updates.

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Does google claim anywhere the list of backlinks is an exhausive one?
2:26 pm on Oct 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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hmm I can not see any update to the backlinks, do you have url
2:28 pm on Oct 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Zeus

G switched back to the older index. You will have to wait a little while.

2:29 pm on Oct 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Rugles
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The Google API is down, as well. I 've tried my API on multiple sites and also tried sites that I know use their own API and it doesn't seem to be working anywhere.

Any significance to that?

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More on back link randomness:
Some of my sites show more links, some less, with no
particular connection to reality. Some of the baclinking
sites shown don't and never have had any links to my sites.
Some long established pr 5,6 backlinks are not showing.
Some pr2 links are showing.
Even Alta Vista is showing more accurate backlinks (not only that - in my particular area it shows more relevant results).
Sooner or later 'ordinary' people are going to start noticing...
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this is strange. backlinks for my site appeared on the weekend and now they are gone.

i was pleased with the links showing up. going from 1 link to 87.

then gone with the wind. any ideas?

4:01 pm on Oct 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yup, gone. So much for that update. :-)

Be nice to see some serp changes to go along with this.

4:41 pm on Oct 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It will be back, this is the way it has worked with g for a long time.
Up then down, up then down, then up for good.
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So Ruggles, are you saying that G was giving us a peek at things to come, over the weekend?

I surely hope not, on one of my sites, the top page went from PR5 to PR1(today back to PR5)! The next tier down...No PR change at all (stayed at 5). The very bottom level pages, several thousand of them, went from 2 to 1 and now back to 2.

Most amazing to me is that from Saturday until today, the site fell completely out of G's index...but is now back in (except for the index page).

If this IS a preview, why would G do this? I see no benefit (except possibly to cause some neophytes to panic and do stupid things) that G could derive from such a move.

Does anyone here support the notion that G is simply disfunctional and screwing up?

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usually this is the way G does it. goes back and forth and then settles. So whatever you saw in your category this weekend is likely to come when they complete the update. (if you wanna call it an update.)

I call it a useless PR update, as the serps have barely changed for months now, cept for a few changes here and there.

Come on G - shuffle it up already. It's getting stale! :-)

6:07 pm on Oct 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>goes back and forth and then settles

We used to call it the Google dance, but this is not exactly a dance in the classic sense.

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Be nice to see some serp changes to go along with this.

Be careful what you wish for.

Seems to me that last year around this time the Grinch showed up and dumped thousands of sites out of the index just before Christmas.

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I call it a useless PR update, as the serps have barely changed for months now, cept for a few changes here and there.

I've seen the exact opposite. My primary page's rank has not changed in months, and the new pages Google has index'd have not yet gained any PR. But G has hit my site for over 45k hits this month alone, indexed over 1000 pages (most of them new), and my SERPS went from being on page 3/4 (bounces between the two), to the top of page 2. (Much needed boost for me, especially on a very competitive keyword.)

I've been trying to decide what has given me such a boost lately and here are the primary things I've noticed, keeping in mind I have NOT added any new backlinks (and I have very few at this point):

1) More useful URL's (keywords in the URL)
2) More useful Titles (keywords first, site name last)
3) More indexable pages

As I have said, those 3 items together have launched me from page 4 to page 2 in just about a months time, for a keyword that returns over 3.5 million pages. I've got two other tests running for other sites, to see how G reacts, and this should help me decide what factor I added to me SEO toolbox next.

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Is everyone so sure that this is a rollback, as opposed to the recent quirky and incomplete update becomming more complete? The index we saw before the "update" (that was not just an update) is not exactly what we see now...not in the cat's we care most about anyway...

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P.S. The SERP's changed for us several days ago, and changed again yesterday, FWIW.
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>>Just when you think they can't get any more weird...

Here's a weird one: an old client had me do two similar sites but didn't want any marketing except for a Y! Direcotry listing on one of the sites. He's been put out to browner pastures and his new guy put 100% identical content on the 2 domains, nothing tricky, just a complete, exact copy. This is not a spam complaint; the domain listed in Y! shows PR but is confined to the Supplemental Index.

Both domains have a grand total of 2 (identical) backlinks each showing on Google; the weird part is:

-they show the same Y! Directory backlink, though only one domain is listed in the Y! Directory,

-and they share an identical 2nd backlink, though only the other dupe domain is listed there.

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I've seen that before. Our sites were merged in the same way when the content was the same.
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Thanks SlyOldDog,
I wouldn't have noticed it but for them only having 2 backlinks. Identical, crossed backlinks are probably a good indicator that the dupe filter has been tripped...
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My backlinks have doubled but they are mostly pages from my own site, the important backlinks I know are out there aren't listed at all.
PR hasn't changed but at least one site not as "important" as mine (actually no where near as important, they are actually a client of mine)now has a higher PR then me - big deal, not too useful or accurate as far as I can see.

[added] geeeeez just checked and after 2 days the backlinks have returned to where they were.

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Just checked Yahoo, 3 times as many backlinks but they all seem to be my own pages.
I like the way Yahoo actually indexes the pages, Google grabs text from random places on a page depending on it's mood that day. Yahoo takes the description every time. Yahoo is looking good.

Google is becoming like a girlfriend, unpredictable and frustrating at times but you just gotta love her.

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