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As I know if I have an out going link from page X to another website then the page rank will be decreased.
I have many pages that have outgoing links to another websites, I can not remove these links so I tried to let these links pointing to special local page Y in my site and this Y page will redirect to the outside link automatically (that mean when some one click on the out going link in the page X this link go to the Page Y and the page Y automatically will redirect to the outside site.), at this way I get rid from out going links in the page X and put them in the Page Y? So the Page X does not have out links that let it to decrease it Rank.
Does this way work? What do you think guys? Can the page rank increase at this way?
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This is simply wrong. PR has the single most dramatic affect of any single factor, and it always has.
I have to disagree with you there. TBPR is the affect, the links are the cause. It is those links that are getting you the rankings. As more people link to your content, true enough you will get an increased pr.
Picture this, a site that was new-ish, with no PR. It was in a three month pr 0-1 hole, meaning lots of muppet webmasters would not consider and kind of link trade. This site was outranking PR7 sites for certain phrases. This was my site.
Also consider something like the dmoz. Monster TBPR. Look at the "shopping" section. PR8. The dmoz is page is listed below a pr6. Sorry that is the best general example I can find with the time I have.
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Too many conflicted opinions...which one is right!....
Google uses a complex and non-public algo. As a result, no-one here really knows for sure what's going on. The responses on this thread a based on peoples experience with their own sites, and that varies wildly depending on the market space that site is in.
Look at what is not in dispute by anyone - inbound links (and I say with anchor text) will improve your position in the SERPS and transfer a slice of any PR they have to the page they link to.
No-one here is going to argue with that.
Whether you feel the increase in SERPS position is related to PR or anchor text, is largely irrelevant unless your question is based on fascination rather than practical use. Personally, I think it's due to anchor text, others may think it's down to PR. I say tomarto, you say tomaito etc etc. Who really knows? Who really cares?
In reality, no-one cares as long as their site does well in the SERPS.
But we all like to give our opinion on how it's *working*.
You got the information you needed though.
TJ
Sorry for adding another conflicting argument. :)
One cautionary tale about reading advice from forums. You need to check out what is said before you believe it to be the gospel. Listen to all sides and if needs be add a bit of your own research in there.
Things change rapidly in this market, and as such so do the rules. Way back when alt tag stuffing could be considerd a very important part of the algo.
As trillian said, the only people who know for sure are the engines, the rest of us have to use empirical data, enterpretation of that data is where you will get differencs in opinion. :)
High pr pages can rank well for MANY phrases
Simple :)
Low pr pages can rank well for a FEW phrases
High pr pages can rank well for MANY phrases
High PR pages have more PR links in, which helps with the depth and regularity of crawl. IMHO that is not part of the algo, that is simply whether your page is in the index.
1/ You think purely in terms of SEO.
2/ You build your site for your users.
If you choose #1, perhaps your plan will minutely boost, or not slightly diminish, your Page Rank, but it might not win any friends amongst those in associated fields that you would normally link with, and thereby reduce your chances of getting future incoming links. Because PR depends on incoming links, your plan might be counter-productive in the end.
If you choose #2, and supply links that will be of interest and use to your users, on appropriate pages, then your site becomes an "authority", or "expert", whether on not the SE's see it that way. People will be more likely to bookmark your site and make return visits. If, as it seems possible, that the SE's will also reward you, then so much the better.
Either way, I honestly don't think it will make much difference. Give it a try, or don't, or flip a coin...
Not always. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but a pr6 page can have only 5 links in, while a pr4 can have 500.
The point is, that any page can rank well, but high pr, sometimes achieved with only a few links in, will rank for more phrases. This is not achieved via anchor text etc., but pure importance of every word on the page as a result of the pr.
:) More likely me not being clear in what I type. I know what I am thinking, it just did not translate to screen very well. :)
I know which site I would prefer out of the two you describe, assuming that the link are properly distributed and with varying anchor texts. The PR 4 one. In most cases I am pretty sure it will out rank the pr5. Plus with 400 inbounds it will likely get crawled deeper quickerm, meaning more pages in the index, simply because they have been crawled.
We are talking about the TBPR are we not, which frankly means bugger all :)
>>At PR7, my site has seen a 1500% increase in traffic since it was a PR4.In the amount of time it has taken to get to a PR7 from a PR4 are you naive enough to think it is only due to PR and not perhaps, lets say an algo change?
Oh, there is no question that I have gone through the algo-change roller coaster like everyone else. In fact, there have been months where I have gained significant new links, like DMOZ or the Google Directory, and have had drops in traffic that month. But the general traffic trend is up, even though contrary to current wisdom, I let people link to me with whatever link text they want, which means I should be ranking incredibly high for "click here", and "great reviews". The majority of decent anchor test to my pages is internal anchor text.
Different factors go in and out of favor, so obviously there will be fluctuation. And my site has gained content, links to the home page, and deep links over that time period. They have all contributed to more Google traffic. But they do not explain the steady increase in position to that extent.
Of course the value of PR fluctuates as well as the other factors. But it is the single most important factor, given its full range, and it always has been, and likely always will be.
>>hits for a search term where people were obviously looking for snow tiresHas the possibility of this being caused by the first few characters in your domainname/anchortxt even crossed your mind? Possibly a stemming issue?
It was not in the domain name. It was not in the title. It was not in the path. It was not in any anchor text pointing to that page. It was pre-stemming by google, and it certainly would not have mattered anyway.
The only relation to this page was that it was in anchor text to another internal page, and it was in an <li>.
there were somewhat optimized sites after mine that had it in the titles and elsewhere. The big difference was that my page was PR4, and the highest page that seemed optimized was a PR3, and most of the the others were PR2 or less.
There are lots of sites out there that are optimized for [widget products] type searches, which automatically makes the optimized for a search on the much more general [products].
Why then, when you do a search on [products] does the acrobat download page come up on top? It is optimized for "adobe acrobat reader".
It does have several factors that would imply to google that it is also about "products", such as it being in the path name, and there is a link to their Products page.
I am also certain that there are at least a few links to the page that do contain the word "products" in the anchor text. But it will be a very small minority, as most of the links will be something like "get Adobe Acrobat Reader".
The people that are declaring that PR is not important always seem to be comparing PR4 to PR6 or something like that.PR runs from PR0.00000001 to PR10.999999999. No other single factor has that much potential to influence your ranking over such a wide range of keywords.
Sure, you can optimize various pages for different keyphrases and beat out higher PR sites. But while you are ranking for that one term, they are ranking for every related term, as well as being only slighty behind you on that major term.
TJ:
Content will attract people linking to you though, hopefully with anchor text. It's those links that should be worked on. Yes, the PR will follow. But don't look at "building PR", look at "building inbound links" from quality resources, irrespective of their PR.
I agree. I do think that you should be far more concerned with building links than with PR. But the resultant PR is still, by far, the most important factor there is because it affects tthe ability of those other factors to do their job.
While anchor text is good for relevence for a certain term, PR is the factor that is good for all terms. If you have great PR, you will not need to get anywhere near as many links with specific anchor text to rank well for that term. You can then get other links with different, related anchor text, and rank well for that term too. You don't have to worry about keyword stuffing your title, since other factors are all more important with your higher PR.
Does this way work? What do you think guys? Can the page rank increase at this way?
No.
I consider it highly likely that internal and external links are counted separately.
No, they are handled in the same way.
If you add add 4 outbound links horizontally on C for example the overall pagerank decreases to: 1,22!
This is an unrealistic example. Also, most of the calculators don’t use the current PR algorithm. Finally, one shouldn't mix real PR with toolbar PR. A more realistic example was given here [webmasterworld.com].
If I see [HOGsite...] or some such, its a bogus link for purposes of hogging PR.
Even such links can pass PR.
Has anyone ever tested this by experiment?
Yes.
There are simpler experiments than that mentioned. Also you can examine this within 2-3 month.
If either the PageRank or the page relevance are zero, the product of the multiplication becomes zero.
Who is saying that the total ranking score is the prodoct of these values?
Here's the rule: all else being equal, PR breaks the tie.
Of course, this statement is true for all of the 100 factors ...
This is an unrealistic example. Also, most of the calculators don’t use the current PR algorithm.
doc_z - could you explain what you mean by the current PR algorithm?
If either the PageRank or the page relevance are zero, the product of the multiplication becomes zero.Who is saying that the total ranking score is the prodoct of these values?
Nobody said that. I said "think of it as a multiplication process". If it makes you more comfortable you may think of it as an "and process" :). The point is that you need both PageRank and page relevancy (anchor text, title, headers and so on).
ww*.mydomain.com/visit.php?link1
ww*.mydomain.com/visit.php?link2
etc etc
I'm not trying to conserve PR - I just find this a convenient procedure. Now I know that Google follows the links, but where am I passing my PR? Is it to the visit.php file, or to the text file, to the actual external URL, or is it wasted into a black hole?
HTTP/1.1 302 Object Moved
Location: h**p://ww*.urldomain.com/
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Length: 155
What does that mean in terms of PR passing?
as mentioned above, using PR calculators is (in my opinion) problematic for the following reasons:
1) Due to the small number of pages without external sources, these systems are good to learn the basics of the PR algorithm but too simple for realistic models.
2) The relation between real PR and toolbar PR is not taken into account. Even if you known that your PR would by halved, you still doesn't know what this mean in units of toolbar PR.
3) Calculators use the original formula: PR_x = (1-d) + d * (PR_1/N_1 + ... + PR_i/N_i). The first problem is that you have to know if self links are considered as link and how multiple links from one page to another page are handled by Google. The second problem is that you must know d. Most of the people assume that a damping factor of d=0.85 is still in use. However, Google changed this value. Moreover, they made (at least) one other significant modification.
The point is that you need both PageRank and page relevancy (anchor text, title, headers and so on).
Of course, that's true. But my point is not only that the total score is not the product of on-page and off-page score. Moreover, it seems to me that optimizing on-page and off-page factors is not independent.
If the total score would be something like the product or the weighted sum, optimization of on-page factors would be independent from off-page factors. I guess that Google started with such a kind of scoring system, but it seems to me that Google changed this some time ago.
It took me 6 years to understand the formula, so I wanted to make sure about any changes Google might have made in those 6 years. :)
