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As I know if I have an out going link from page X to another website then the page rank will be decreased.
I have many pages that have outgoing links to another websites, I can not remove these links so I tried to let these links pointing to special local page Y in my site and this Y page will redirect to the outside link automatically (that mean when some one click on the out going link in the page X this link go to the Page Y and the page Y automatically will redirect to the outside site.), at this way I get rid from out going links in the page X and put them in the Page Y? So the Page X does not have out links that let it to decrease it Rank.
Does this way work? What do you think guys? Can the page rank increase at this way?
Regards.
However, I am linking to these links pages from many places hoping to raise the PR to 5 for each of them (or to at least PR4). My assumption is that having a clean PR5 or more links page, with almost no internal links, and no blockage of PR flow, will tend to attract high quality link partners who would appreciate this, and will be success in the long-run.
If not, I have my plan B ready.
Scenario: Past 3 months have seen tens more sites with PR's of 3+ link back to me (link exchange). Only 2 are showing in my backlinks (as measured in Yahoo.com).
Question 1: is there a time delay of a few months in SE's showing backlinks?
Question 2: How do you know from a link text or page whether it's cloaked and passes on the full PR?
Thanks, Calum
I look for any incoming link on the other guy's page.
I mouse-over it without clicking and see what URL appears on the lower left of my task-bar.
If I see [mysite.net...] .. That is a good honest link. That's what I want.
If I see [HOGsite...]
or some such, its a bogus link for purposes of hogging PR.
All the Hog is doing is going to another one of HIS pages which does some JS magic. Traffic does get
thru to my site, but I doubt Google will or can count that as any incoming link. The intention is obvious. I wouldn't think of exchanging links with any site playing those games. Don't look at the NAME of the link (the word you click on) .. look at the actual URL you will be sent to at first.
One other thing: It is my understanding that Google rates PR for PAGES rather than sites.
I never heard of a Google SITErank SR. If they are rated independently, then I'm probably on the right track.
My site has PR=6 which blew me away when I first learned of it, I though it would be 4 or 5.
If you google up UFO and MAPS as keywords, you should find it easily.
-Larryhat
So, using that 24 hour turnaround, I am able to try out combinations of different words in the description tag, links to other pages in my site, different word combinations in the page text, etc, to optimise that page to get higher positions in the serps. When my pages had pageranks of 3 or less, the turnaround was, from memory, about once a month, which made testing my optimisation against the results in the serps a very drawn out process.
Has that been the experience of other people? (I only have one site and I don't have anyone else's experiences or any other site to use as a benchmark to know whether or not what I describe above is usual or not.)
Hello Coburn:.....question #2....I mouse-over it without clicking and see what URL appears on the lower left of my task-bar.
Thats a good first test, though the mouseover might show you what you want to see anyway. You should examine the source code and see how your link is wrapped. If its good old plain html then its passed the second test.
Anyone have a third test?
Check the backlinks of some of the links on that page. If this particular page does not show up ...
Arelis checks/spiders sites in it's database and tells me which ones are linking back.
Btw, if anyone is wondering which is best for checking backlinks to your site and how you do it, heres my answer:
In Yahoo.com, type in:
link:http://www.mysite.com
links pointing to special local page Y in my site and this Y page will redirect to the outside link automatically (that mean when some one click on the out going link in the page X this link go to the Page Y and the page Y automatically will redirect to the outside site.), at this way I get rid from out going links in the page X and put them in the Page Y? So the Page X does not have out links that let it to decrease it Rank.
Does this way work?
Since you are directing the link to page 'Y', the PR comes along with it doesnt it? But then since THAT page (Y) has no static ourgoing links, the PR would stop dead there, yes?
So in a sense isnt it wasted? You've passed it to page Y already. I think you need to stop it before you pass it to another page on your site so it wont be a dead end.
Or maybe I'm not understanding it ... that is entirely possible and, maybe, likely (smile).
PR has little effect on increasing the sites visitors.
Checking the impact on serps is a reasonable good test, especially for sites link mine which tends to go about collecting links slowly. If somebody collects multiple links in a few day's period, with similar anchor texts, this methood won't be that reliable.
One more test of mine is to check the quality of sites linked to from that links page.
If you have a low PR site you can test this. Get a large number of low pr sites (that are spidered) to link to you and you will find these "24 hour" refreshes.
1. your internal linking sturcture. You have control over how you pass PR to yourself.
2. Trying to get good links to your site. The most important thing to do to acomplish this is to have a site that is worth linking to in the first place.
What you should never concern yourself with is:
3. PR loss from linking out. Even though you are sening PR elsewhere, that is as it should be. If a site is worth linking to, it is worth sending it some PR. your links are adding value to your site, thus meeting #2, while your internal linking structure should help shield you from overdoing it.
You don't get to PR10 (or even PR3) by hoarding PR, you get there by getting links in to your site. You don't get to be a billionare by saving pennies, you get to be a billionare by having people pay you lots of money. It's good to be careful with your money and your PR, but it certainly is not where you should be concentrating your effort.
PR has little effect on increasing the sites visitors.
This is simply wrong. PR has the single most dramatic affect of any single factor, and it always has.
Other factors can combine to have more of an effect, but PR is an amplifier of all those other factors. PR is the content agnostic factor.
Sure a PR 2 page can beat a PR10 page. But the PR10 page ain't trying.
An example I used in another thread was a search on [products]. Lots of people will SEO for phrases that contain that word, but few SEO for that word on its own. But the SEO for related words should really affect who shows up for this search.
But who ranks at the top for this search? A whole bunch of pages that are PR7-10.
Basically, a higher PR will give you a boost over equal sites with a lesser PR. If you lined all of the sites up that are your competitors by *optimization, the PR would never bring your site up in the serps as fast as quality *optimization.
The only way that wouldn't be true is if your site was extremely *optimized, competitors were nearly identically *optimized, and you had a lesser PR.
*Optimized meaning ON and OFF page..
How is it wrong? Did you not just prove the point more?
No. I showed that you were wrong.
Basically, a higher PR will give you a boost over equal sites with a lesser PR.
Yes it will. It can also give your unoptimized page a boost over highly optimized pages.
And you had stated that PR has no impact on the traffic. That is simply wrong.
At PR7, my site has seen a 1500% increase in traffic since it was a PR4. Some of this can be attributable to the increase in content, there is about twice as much now as back then. There hs been no major changes in the layout of the site. We just gain steadily each month as other sites link to my site.
There are even major gains on pages with no external links, for phrases that are only incidentally on that page. That is PR, and only PR that is causing that.
If you lined all of the sites up that are your competitors by *optimization, the PR would never bring your site up in the serps as fast as quality *optimization.
But it will bring you up in a lot more SERPs than other optimization, which means more traffic. It also makes it very easy to kick the butts of those optimized sites with very little effort if they do not have a decent PR themselves.
In fact, I have popped to the top of some competitive SERPs unintentionally. I was getting pounded by hits for a search term where people were obviously looking for snow tires, and my site has nothing to do with snow tires. I just happened to have the right combination of words on the page. I had to change the wording slightly so that I would stop coming up for that search term.
The only way that wouldn't be true is if your site was extremely *optimized, competitors were nearly identically *optimized, and you had a lesser PR.
But you can only optimize for a few terms. This is about traffic, not specific SERPs. You said "PR has little effect on increasing the sites visitors."
Higher PR *WILL* bring you more visitors. It also makes it much, much easier to compete against optimized pages.
Instead of increasing its PR, now it is PR0. But a check on backlink to my site, it still appears in Google. So is it really PR0? I don't really know.
I also link to my client using the link text for their keywords (products), but instead of ranking higher, it now disappear completely from a search on that particular keyword. Very peculiar behaviour of Google.
I don't have the heart to tell my client about this bad news. :)
Regards
In the amount of time it has taken to get to a PR7 from a PR4 are you naive enough to think it is only due to PR and not perhaps, lets say an algo change?
>>hits for a search term where people were obviously looking for snow tires
Has the possibility of this being caused by the first few characters in your domainname/anchortxt even crossed your mind? Possibly a stemming issue?
>PR has little effect on increasing the sites visitors.
Then what is the factor that increase site visitors!
As I know more PR then the page will get a high listing position when someone type the keyword in search engine.
See previous links for information and description of the terms "PR" and "SERPS".
Don't worry about PR. It's a factor which is much less significant in the google algo than it has ever been.
Anchor text has been the daddy for the last few years. PR will naturally follow your hunt for inbound links with variances of your anchor text anyway. But forget about the PR side of it.
Do link out from your site to high quality resources - your site visitors will thank and remember you for it.
As I know more PR then the page will get a high listing position when someone type the keyword in search engine.
That's a massive over-simplification and absolutely not the case. The google algo is far more complex than that now.
I suggest you do some reading - you have come to the right place at least!
At PR7, my site has seen a 1500% increase in traffic since it was a PR4.
Your logs will tell you why.
TJ
Has anyone ever tested this by experiment? It really isn't difficult to set up a crude test. It would go something like this.
1) Create a new domain (site).
2) Create two pages with any old content and cross-link them (one link per page).
3) Link to page A from a high PR site (5 or 6 should be ok).
4) Wait for PR calculations to stabilise and take note of the PR of each page.
5) Place a load of outbound links on Page A (at least 32).
6) Wait for PR calculations to stabilise.
If I am right, the PR of page B will be unaffected, if I am wrong the PR of page B will fall.
7) If the PR of page B falls, remove the outbound links on Page A. If I am wrong, the PR of page B should be restored.
This experiment would take 6-12 months.
Any volunteers?
Kaled.
Then what is the major factors that let my pages appear in the first position when someone write the keyword in the search engine?
There are probably in excess of 100 of them.
Top of the list are the obvious (inbound anchor text, page titles etc).
I would start with Brett's 12 month guide to a succesful site in google. Can anyone point to a link? I can never find that article..... thanks!
TJ
My impressions from reading deeply in these forums is that a higher PR is/was preferable to a lower one.
I take that to mean: All other things being equal, which of course they never are, a site with a PR = 6
like mine will be listed higher on a page for the same search word than one with lower PR.
I presume this is a better SERP, closer to the top of the first page.
Given that, I know from experience that you will see more hits/visits. I once got onto the first page for two days. Hits went thru the roof. And of course, I fell back to 2nd and 3rd page on Google after that.
What I don't know is how _important_ the PR is when there are so many other factors: number and quality of incoming links, content (mine is high and high quality) and so on.
We can argue all nite how much PR figures in, maybe its less now than before .. maybe not. It has to figure in somehow, I can't see how it wouldn't at Google.
Best wishes - Larry
All other things being equal, which of course they never are, a site with a PR = 6
like mine will be listed higher on a page for the same search word than one with lower PR.
All things being equal, yes I'm sure that would be the case.
It's just one factor of the algo though, and it's one that is further down the list of importance than it used to be.
It is still a fundamental part of google though, of course.
My experience is to concentrate on getting those (natural) inbound anchor text links. PR will naturally follow as a result anyway, for whatever it's worth. But the keyword anchor text is the important part of the inbound link - not the PR transfer.
The same follows for internal link structure, which, again, will naturally pass PR.
TJ
What I don't know is how _important_ the PR is when there are so many other factors
There's no way to answer that of course - but think of it as a multiplication process. Google multiplies PageRank by page relevance (anchor text, title, headers et al).
If either the PageRank or the page relevance are zero, the product of the multiplication becomes zero.
Since the only way to build PR is to get links and content, that's the place to work, and PR (whatever its worth) and SERPS should follow.
Yes and no. Perhaps I can put this a little better.
If you have 1,000 inbound links with good natural keyword anchor text from pagess all, say, PR1 or just under, you may only end up with a PR3/PR4 page, but that page will do better in the SERPS for those phrases than a page which is PR6 because it has 1 link from a (high) PR7 page.
Content has no reflection on PR whatsoever. PR is purely calculated on PR passed through link structure.
Content will attract people linking to you though, hopefully with anchor text. It's those links that should be worked on. Yes, the PR will follow. But don't look at "building PR", look at "building inbound links" from quality resources, irrespective of their PR.
TJ
