Sudden Penalty

if this is Penalty?

[wanna_learn]

I noticed my very well performing site for 100s of Reginal Keyword lost its Index from Google Cache 3 days back.

Today whole site has disappeared from Google, NOTHING in cache, NOTHING indexed, NO referals.

1) I saw the Fresh Tag on index page on 6th May
2) Index not in Cache on 8th may
3) Whole site about 300 Pages out of Google / completely disappeared, nothing in cache.

Can this be a Sudden Death Penalty? what could be the possible reasons?
I can rule out that BAD links is not at all a problem.

[robertito62]

It can be useful not to make a penalty out of this. Search engines have stated in the past that there could be about 30% of duplication/mirroring on the web and they may be looking to actively eliminate this.

Perhaps they are already using "fingerprints" as part of some algo to identify similarity, among other techniques. Some research papers state that upon finding duplication higher PR sites may stay in the index but that other criteria may be used for prunning.

Don't take it personally. Work on different text, get newer, unique backlinks and see how that goes in the coming weeks.

[wanna_learn]

3) I am due to pay 23US$ to Google for Adwords for last 3 Monts for a Campaign ran for this site....can that be a reason of Google banning it?

Anybody have experience with this cause

(I am due with my Credit card Renewal)

[wanna_learn]

robertito62

I accept your advice and have already started working on New Text AS USUAL.

But I am still not convinced that its an issue of Dupe. even,

Few Sites are using my Text though, but they have a lower PR then mine.

and I hope There is a VAST difference between Mirroring and Dupelication...that Google might have forgotten.

[walkman]

"3) I am due to pay 23US$ to Google for Adwords for last 3 Monts for a Campaign ran for this site....can that be a reason of Google banning it?"
no experience, but common sense tells me that that's not the case. They're filing for a $25+ Billion IPO and to ban sites for owning a few dollars is not good for their business.

You should still pay them though...they provided the services, no?

[wanna_learn]

walkman

The things appearing so skewed that US$23 seems to be a reason in my wildest dream (still am considering it).

LOL

[vonna]

wanna_learn:

Perhaps it a problem with your java scripts, google has started to parse java, sure the bot do not know what is going on in javascripts but i see you use both a timer and a location.href , perhaps thats what trigger it?, try to remove the timer used on your site, and PLEASE let us know it helps!.

best regards Preben Eriksen.

[wanna_learn]

Vonna

That Script is used to Change the main Picture on index page after an interval.

I dont feel it conflicts anywhere with Google.

Stiil, can anybody else help on it?

[vonna]

wanna_learn

This is one of the oldest "spam" tricks, make a page add contenst and redirect the visitors with a javascript timer to another site. google is not able to see you are just changing a image, but they are able to see that you have a java timer and a java redirect.

I would give it a try :-)

best regards Preben Eriksen.

[wanna_learn]

Vonna,
And that Google dint penalized it for last several Months and suddely penalized the whole site....even the pages which do not use that Java Script at all?

I can give it a try for sure....

Can anybody else contribute on this logic?

[twebdonny]

If 10% of the actual backward links to our domain showed up in Google our site would be doing tremendously better.
I have yet to figure our why G includes some back links but not all. Yes I understand about the theory of pagerank 3 and below; though, even that has some fallacy as I see PR 3 sites showing as backlinks to us. It's the PR 4 and above sites, which we have literally thousands, that keep diminishing with every G update. Is this some kind of weird penalty that slowly chokes the lifeblood out
of sites that G does not like? Where has Googleguy gone?

Sincerly,
Don n Cherie

[wanna_learn]

twebdonny

I wonder if you are commenting upon my Satetement of missing Backlinks from my own site?

Actually till the day my site disappeared, Backlinks from my own site were shown extensively.....which disappeared too suddenly!

So I have a different point.

Excuse me if I had interpreteted you badly.

[hutcheson]

>And that Google dint penalized it for last several Months and suddely penalized the whole site....even the pages which do not use that Java Script at all?

Well, let's take that apart and see if it's really so incredible.

Google didn't penalize it for months, and suddenly penalized the whole thing.

Yes, there's nothing at all unlikely about that. In fact, when a new factor is introduced into the PR calculations, some of its effects WILL be sudden, and most one would EXPECT to be sudden. It's the "black hole decay" (higher-order effects) that are more mysterious.

... even that pages that don't use Javascript?

Sorry, guy, but this is just brain-dead. If you put a cord around the neck of a normal human and pulled tightly to cut off blood to the brain, it might well kill cells that weren't even supplied by the carotid artery, don't you think?

If all your inbound links focused on the page that, for instance, got knocked out of Google because it looked like a cheap cloak, then what would happen to all the inner pages that were only accessible through that doorway? Would they, you suppose, suddenly disappear also?

Alternatively, if the domain was put in the penalty box for apparent cloaking, again the inner pages might disappear suddenly.

So there are two theories that might account for the data we've seen before: (1) home page links ignored because of improved Google checking of Javascript (even if all the Javascript does is call Java); (2) domain triggered some kind of cloak-detection.

[walkman]

your backlinks are back. at least from where I'm right now...NJ, google.com

[wanna_learn]

hutcheson

Thanks for that Post :-)

I am surely removing that Javascript (which Google might have taken very badly), but dont you think Google is real poor to understand that this Javascript was SIMPLY SACRED?

as far as I know lacks of WebMasters use this Script to show Image Slide show kinda thing on their page, this would apparently be a death for them too...in that case.

Poor Google!

What is the chance of re-inclusion after I have removed the "so called" malignant Script?

WALKMAN
You posted while I was writing this one... are you seeing the backlinks from MY OWN site, i.e. real*****?
I already had extrnal Backlinks showing...even after the site disappeared.

[walkman]

yeah backlinks from [real*something*an.com...]
I don't think you had those before.
Results 1 - 26 of about 238 linking to.......

[wanna_learn]

Walkman

Can you just check if any damn page of this site is shown in Google index?

Yes, backlink from real**** were disappeared few days back.

[hutcheson]

It's just a theory. There may be other evidence against that theory; I just don't think what you told us was evidence against it.

Of course, even if the theory is not true, we haven't disproved it yet, and we may never be able to.

You post the facts (as accurately and precisely as you can) here, and people try to figure out what might have happened. You might accidentally get help, we might accidentally learn something. So far, this discussion may not have accomplished either. But sometimes ... you never know unless you try.

[wanna_learn]

hutcheson

I agree with what you say,
Lets try to find out the cause if possible.

Here is the suspicious Script for everybody's contemplation
+++

<SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript">

//set image paths
src = [ "stockart1.jpg", "stockart2.jpg", "stockart3.jpg"]

//set corresponding urls
//set duration for each image
duration = 5;

//Please do not edit below
ads=[]; ct=0;
function switchAd() {
var n=(ct+1)%src.length;
if (ads[n] && (ads[n].complete ¦¦ ads[n].complete==null)) {
document["Ad_Image"].src = ads[ct=n].src;
}
ads[n=(ct+1)%src.length] = new Image;
ads[n].src = src[n];
setTimeout("switchAd()",duration*2000);
}
function doLink(){
location.href = url[ct];
} onload = function(){
if (document.images)
switchAd();
}
//-->
</SCRIPT>

++++++

Can this be Evil?

[DVDBurning]

wanna_learn,
As I mentioned, I have also seen this sudden drop from the SERPs. I'm not at all sure it is a penalty, as I'm not doing anything that could be considered SPAM. I don't make any money from my sites, so I have little motivation to SPAM Google.

The strangest thing is how the cached version of the home page of one of my sites, which is about my home town, has reverted to a snapshot from before January of this year. I don't believe the site was ever down when Googlebot came by, and it certainly didn't have an old version. As with you, my last visit from Googlebot was May 6th on my hometown site, but I did get a visit yesterday on my hobby site.

Anyhow, I have also written to Google... but I have not received a reply. It would be nice if someone could help us figure out this strange phenomenon.

One possibility for me is the use of phpBB discussion forums. I haven't excluded Googlebot from the forums, and I haven't done any Google modifications to the forum to prevent Googlebot from trying to index password protected sections. I also have a Frontpage generated site map that automatically listed many phpBB pages, including administrative pages. I'm sure these are duplicated elsewhere on the Internet. Should this cause a ban from the index? Not in my opinion, of course. But I guess we have strict rules to follow... or else.

[wanna_learn]

The case of Dupe Content is not applicable on me in even Remotest possibility, neither the symptoms show that its smth like a Penalty.

The sudden removal was strangest!

Google is overbusy in handeling these kinda queries I guess, so it could not make a personal response.

Am still waiting for response of Walman...

[hutcheson]

wanna_learn, Flashing ads at me is, no, let's not get into the definition of "evil."

But I would say that I will stake my reputation and a cup of coffee on the Javascript you displayed NOT affecting either Google's spidering or indexing or ranking of your site.

[wanna_learn]

hutcheson
:-)

Thanks for your advice again,
So the possibilty of this javascript is ruled out too.

Can somebody tell me -
If site xyz.com suffer a penalty (trigerred autoimatically), would the backlinks FROM xyz.com DISAPPEAR from day 1 of Penalty?

I mean if 123.com's backlinks were showing a credit of xyz.com ..... would that disappear too from day-1 of penalty?

[wanna_learn]

I can see other Members of WW crying too for the same problem now.

Any serious thought as of now?

[AjiNIMC]

We also have gone through the same trauma, one of our site lost all the pages from index and also lost the PR, only the homepage was PR5 as all our incoming links were to the homepage but now all the pages are indexed again. I donot think there is some problem with the site , it must be some problem with google.

Aji

[wanna_learn]

Aji
Thanks for those words "which we desperately need to hear" :-)

The strangest thing is we havent heard anything by Google about this!

[walkman]

"The strangest thing is we havent heard anything by Google about this"
with the billions of pages in their index, I don't think we can expect one on one service

[wanna_learn]

walkman
You are true, but when these issues geather a mass and that too on a Board like WW and that too where Google has a chance to make a statement...I guess some response could be expected ;-)

[shrirch]

>> I guess some response could be expected ;-)

Not when there is an IPO in progress.

[wanna_learn]

>>Not when there is an IPO in progress.
Is everybody (yeah everybody) at Plex is bothered about IPO these days? No time to listen to cries?

Anyway
I guess the upcoming PR update might indicate if we are a hit from Penalty.

[wanna_learn]

Another associated query

My Web Host do not offer a Raw Logs Access (I was fool when I selected it), so I can only see Webal*zer Stats.

After the No Activity from Googlebot, i see the some activity for last 2 days.

Under User Agents Section I see the Number of Hits from Google (not from Googlebot/2.1 (+http://www.googlebot.com/bot.html)) , has gone up in last 2 days.

Now,
Is this Entry of Google and NOT Googlebot/2.1 is a Crawler activity?

I cant find anything using that Weblizer :-(