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new links temporarily bumped up in results?



3:30 am on Feb 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have a PR6 site, and recently added a version in another language. For the first week or so the new language version was appear at about position #15, around 2-3 weeks after first linked, the position dropped down to the 40's.

Does google give a temporary boost to newly linked pages?

I did some searching for this and haven't turned up anything so far. Any comments appreciated, thanks...


4:25 am on Feb 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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hello ignatz,
Yes there is (or has been) an effect that you describe. Do a search here on webmaster world for "fresh bot" and you should find some information on it.
If no body has said it yet, welcome to Webmaster world!
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10:06 pm on Feb 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the keyword tip! I would have never thought to search for "fresh bot".


10:17 pm on Feb 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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FYI, freshbot is the program Google uses to keep track of constantly changing sites. When you see a date in the SERP, you know it was freshbot.


11:32 pm on Feb 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have the opposite problem. I had a #20 listing on the google serps when the freshbot visited yesterday. Now today I fell to 128 for that keyword. Does anyone else think that is stange?

I didn't do any updates to my website and I still hold all my other front page listings. I'm used to my site moving around within 2 or 3 positions between updates but never saw anything this drastic.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.


4:51 pm on Feb 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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After Brandy update GG said:
>"I can try to give you my personal take. I absolutely agree that both commercial sites and info sites provide value to the user. At different times, a user may want either commercial results because they want to buy something, or they might just be looking for info. We want to return what we think the user is looking for, whether it be commercial or info. Historically, Google often started more as a research tool/informational resource. If you did a search for something like "sex," for example, Google was much more likely to give G-rated informational pages than other search engines.
It's not a no-brainer to find the right balance. I think if you asked a sample of WebmasterWorld folks, they might lean toward returning more commercial results. My hunch is that if you asked regular users, they would want fewer commercial results in their search results than a typical SEO would prefer. As for me personally, as long as the user is happy, then I'm happy. I think that to find the right balance, we get valuable feedback from both regular users and from site owners. We'll keep doing our best to find the balance that makes users the happiest, but we're open to suggestions from both sides of the spectrum about how to make searching better."


Brandy #6 for info sites (for "blue widgets") is today #12 and tomorrow maybe #22 or Florida #...

Commercial sites with fresh tags push info sites down, and that is a big problem. They have the same content every day, while info sites with fresh tag and fresh content lost first page position because of them. I know for all standard problems with fresh boot, but the question is: "What is really fresh?"
Maybe Google must change their algo in that direction.

I see also commercial sites work fine for singular and plural (for "blue widgets" and for “blue widget") and info sites not, despite both have only plural on site.


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