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Update Florida - Nov 2003 Google Update Part 2

         

GoogleGuy

4:50 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Continued from part 1: [webmasterworld.com...]


I stopped by several times yesterday, but it seemed like people were into the analysis stage already. caveman, this update didn't add any penalties for hyphenated domains, so that's not a factor. Just a reminder that people with specific feedback (good or bad) can send it to webmaster [at] google.com with the keyword "floridaupdate" somewhere in the email. I've mentioned that a few times, but as more than one person has pointed out, it can take 2-3 hours to read the whole thread from beginning to end. :)

seaboy

1:59 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Jady - that is *exactly* what we are seeing. Searching for 'Widgettown hotels' brings up directories for some-other-town hotels, newspapers that mention 'widgettown hotels' in passing, etc.
I understand the need to fight spammers but these aren't even good results for Google users trying to find info.
Does anyone else here remember when AltaVista thought they were so big they could do what they liked with searches, however bad the results turned out to be for users, and they would stay the #1 SE?

deanril

2:06 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I remember, what are they now?

Also you cant keep preaching "white hat" then pull this crap when the christmas rush is coming or whenever you need to line your pockets. What you will intern recieve is "black hats" of your own creation.

That right google just made a whole new army of black hats on saturday, now googles problems are worse.

jady

2:06 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Seaboy - do you know how I realized this problem? (We are more of a development company with a smaller focus on marketing for these instances!) - my Mom called me and said, "Whats wrong with Google? I cant find what I am looking for - just junk!".

I then began to look and found a disaster.

I love Google, I live by it - but in general searches (not checking our Clients serps) I am finding a HUGE mess! I cant even find a local plummer anymore! ARGH!

deanril

2:10 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Last time Dominic we were told "just wait the searches will be better"

Whats the excuse this time? "The searches will be better-better"?

hostlead

2:10 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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that's cuz you spell it plumber not plummer.

HL

kittyheads

2:19 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Anyone seeing strange output on -cw? I just tried a keyword1 keyword2 search in one of the dance machines and got no results at -cw (and of course -sj still dead).

HarryM

2:21 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Using the dance tool, the only datacenter that shows my index page is datacenter 6.

Which one is that? Is there a reference somewhere which equates the numbers with the www-xx datacenters?

kittyheads

2:25 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Move the mouse over "Datacenter X" and you'll see the address in the lower left of the browser window.

HarryM

2:27 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks, Kittyheads. I should have spotted that. My excuse is it's 2.30 in the morning here. :(

monsterisp

2:28 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Last time Dominic we were told "just wait the searches will be better"
Whats the excuse this time? "The searches will be better-better"?

that's cuz you spell it plumber not plummer.

I've heard that laughter can brighten a disastrous situation. Thank you for making me laugh during these rough times... :(

ewanfisher

2:31 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This thread has become an interesting read. WW is where some of the top web people hang and and share ideas. But for the first time ever I am seeing lots of confused, angry and frustrated webmasters. I have to admit that for some searches the Google results are a mess. Datacenter's SERP's show sites moving up and down the rankings; coming and going.

I am reading articles all over the web about the Florida update. The most interesting one I read was titled:

Google ruins US Economy and the X-Mas Season -AP

Maybe this update will lead to the down fall of Google as people start to move onto another search engine, maybe the Google SERP's will get better... Only time will tell.

Maybe Google are updating to Red Hat Enterprise ;)

hostlead

2:34 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've heard that laughter can brighten a disastrous situation. Thank you for making me laugh during these rough times... :(

no problem :)

ulysee

2:40 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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ewanfisher
for the first time ever I am seeing lots of confused, angry and frustrated webmasters.

I agree, but there were angry, confused, frustrted webmasters before but not like this!, this time the balance between good and bad comments has shifted dramatically.

rfgdxm1

2:42 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>I agree, but there were angry, confused, frustrted webmasters before but not like this!, this time the balance between good and bad comments has shifted dramatically.

Perhaps the happy members have just learned not to post in threads like this about their success, and sit back and smile. ;)

mfishy

2:48 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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back to the point. has anyone figured out a way to let the general searching public know that all searches must be performed with a hyphen? :)

mrbrad

2:49 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Dejavu!

Its update Domonic all over again. While reading this thread I feel like I stepped into a time machine taking me back to last May.

Didnt we learn anything from Domonic? Just like last time GoogleGuy has been saying over and over that not all the data has been incorporated yet. Yet webmasters still insist on predicting the demise of Google.

Guess what ... it didnt happen then, and it wont happen now!

jddux

2:50 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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http://www.forbes.com/business/energy/newswire/2003/11/16/rtr1149649.html I think they are just driving up there profits before the IPO. Why, they know everyone will have to turn to google-ads since its right near christmas and so many businesses have google being a large part of their business plan.. Google is here to make money just like everyone else, it will probably kill them in the long run and another engine will become popular..

c1bernaught

2:51 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Which of the choices below will make the most money for a search engine business that sells advertising?

A.) An environment where an easy to understand, documented, algorythm allows those that can manipulate their web content correctly to rise to the top.

B.)An environment where only you know the algorythm but changes to the algorythm are made based purely on end user feedback.

C.)An environment where only you know the algorythm and you change that algorythm when and how you choose.

worker

2:54 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It's pretty clear that the only way Google can remain the best search engine is if their ranking algorythms are constantly changing. If they don't change the way they do things, then gradually people will manipulate their search engine results.

By introducing significant changes, it will help to keep things more honest. If you knew that your site was basically stable in Google, then wouldn't you be tempted to make a little change and watch what happens, and then make another little change and watch what happens.

What if there were a place like WW where you could post your little changes, and the results. Guess what, other people would do the same, and little by little, the results would be based on little tricks and tweaks.

By adjusting things such that there is semi-chaos created and a sense of confusion on what does / doesn't work in Google, I think they are ensuring a long life.

Overall, I don't think Google has made too many huge mistakes, even though I've been as frustrated as everyone else here, on occassions.

[edited by: worker at 2:54 am (utc) on Nov. 18, 2003]

ulysee

2:54 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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rfgdxm1
Perhaps the happy members have just learned not to post in threads like this about their success, and sit back and smile.

So your saying the people in all of the seo forums followed the pattern of anger and the quiet of happiness?, I see angry, confused, frustrated, suicidal webmasters across all forums at least 70-80% majority. I have never seen this type of attitude about google rankings since I started {3 years ago} observing seo forums.

jddux

2:55 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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none, when the algorith is just a game to entertain us and you drive up the profits from ad-words

HarryM

2:56 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Is there any consensus on where we are on the update? Is there any more data to load? When will new PR show?

ILLstyle

3:02 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> c1bernaught

I think googles goal is to provide quality search results.
so B
in the long run quality search results will keep google around and give it the ability to
make money long term.

kittyheads

3:03 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Just noticed a significant PR jump (1 to 4) ... wonder if it'll stick ...

rfgdxm1

3:04 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>So your saying the people in all of the seo forums followed the pattern of anger and the quiet of happiness?, I see angry, confused, frustrated, suicidal webmasters across all forums at least 70-80% majority. I have never seen this type of attitude about google rankings since I started {3 years ago} observing seo forums.

It could be considered rude to post of absolute delight and thanking the Google Gods amongst a bunch of the webmasters whose sites had the reverse fate, and are in angst. And consider that the content, confident, satisfied and pleased webmaster just doesn't have the emotional need to post as much as the angry, confused, frustrated, and suicidal webmaster. I still find it curious that all the test info SERPs I have checked looked good post update.

jddux

3:05 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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we just went from 6 to 7.. PLEASE be a good sign

ILLstyle

3:06 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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nice rfgdxm1

and thats why this thread is so long.

dazzlindonna

3:08 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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too bad we can't post specific search phrases on this forum. i'm sure we could create a nice long list for people who aren't seeing bad results to look at - just might change their minds. but...rules are rules.

kittyheads

3:10 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Looks like we're bouncing between the old and new PR. I'm sure that one of the senior members will zero in on the hot DC.

c1bernaught

3:10 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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jddux:

Incorrect-- the answer is C.)

Why? If only you know the aglorythm, and can change it a will. You can shake the serps anytime you want.

Why is that important? Well, it's because you can threaten the income of every online business.

Why is that important? Well, it's because these people, once threatened, look for stability.

Why is that important? Well, it's because paid advertisements are stable, as long as you are willing to pay.

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