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Work on your incoming links. It doesn't just help PR. I get a good bit of targeted traffic by listing in directory sites that target my sector and by exchanging links with other sites. <snip> Chances are there are lots of sites there that you can trade related links with.
[edited by: ciml at 12:39 pm (utc) on Sep. 6, 2003]
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Looking through my stats I notice that traffic for Fri 5 Sep 2003 is down by 60%. As most of my traffic comes from Google I suspect they are having problems?
Everybody on these forums is telling me it's not a problem. But I'm with you: G indexing has fallen to about 20% of what it used to be--very sudden; started in August.
>G indexing has fallen to about 20%
I suppose Dave didn't talk about GoogleBot visits being down but the referers from google searches, erik.
There is no doubt in my mind that Google has shot itself in the foot recently by striving to index too many pages. Generated content and duplicated content is everywhere and producing rubbish serps.
There seems to be a move away from searches influenced by word proximity and more on word density. I wonder whether this is another casaulty of this drive to increase the 'index page count'. The result has been lower quality 'relevance' to searches, hence many of us have lost rankings to sites who are off theme, but happen to have a high keyword density for a word in that phrase... e.g.
Search phrase "Holidays in Widgetland" (made up search)
Number one - The site has no mention of 'widgetland' but high density of 'holidays'..... the site is in fact about 'gifts'.
This pattern appears to be across all sectors, resulting in those sites that are lower pr but perhaps more relevant being pushed out by higher pr, mass produced doorway sites for a related theme.
I downloaded a piece of software called Arelis that helps me find and organize potential link partners. Even though it is tedious asking site to swap links with me, I really need to get back to that and see if I can get some fresh incoming links to my site.
[edited by: kriskd at 1:24 pm (utc) on Sep. 7, 2003]
MHes, people have agreed to this and people have disagreed. Some people who have been really strong complaining about google's quality, confirmed a much better quality recently (see the past and recent threads about Amazon results). So allthough it might be true that *some* people move away from google, i highly doubt that 60% of a site's referer loss from one day to the next has anything to do with google search quality.
What we don't know yet:
- How is your google traffic today compared to the "black Friday", Dave?
- How were your page positions on Google at Friday?
- How was your overall traffic at Friday compared to other days?
Thanks for all the info and feedback, it's much appreciated.
Normally on any given Friday I would get xxxxx visitors for the entire site. Friday the 5th however, there was a BIG drop in visitors. To make matters even worse, our sales were well down AND our Google AdWord cost up! We are still ranking well for our main keyword/phrases, although I did not check on Friday. They may have been a Google re-shuffle happening as we now have lots of new content pages (which I have been adding furiously over the last week) ranking well and having PR4 and PR5. GoogleBot has been swollowing my site pages nearly every day for 2 weeks. Perhaps the weeks ahead will make up for lost revenue?
Traffic today is back as normal, which is always about half on week-ends.
Oh well, Google, can't live with it and can't live without it :o)
Some people who have been really strong complaining about google's quality, confirmed a much better quality recently (see the past and recent threads about Amazon results).
Could you please point to me which thread does it show that some people have confirmed better serp in regards to pdf/doc/amazon/dealtime/etc..
As far as I know I've been tracking those threads and I think there's no need to repeat a posted example on those threads...'that until now Google have not taken steps to correct the problem'.
As far have GG said...he will be reporting back in a couple of days in regards to this situation...until then I will hold back my opinion and give Google the benefit of doubt.
But if this is just another Google 'sweep under the rug' tactic then surely I will be sharing my thoughts about them as well.
As far as traffic is concern, yes, traffic is affected because of the poor quality of Google serp.
Could be a cumilitive affect of work done on them recently but I think its due more to the way the pages are ranked. A lot of listings have been dropped and replaced with new ones so who knows what Google is up too.
Try the given example 'web database applications'. You call that clean? Or did Google temporarily removed Amazon from the index and when a lot of the webmasters confirmed that it's cleaner, Google quitely inserted them again?
Just try the example given.
Well they certainly exist (or existed... could well have been deleted... which happens on here).
I was indeed one of those deeply disappointed to see the infestation of the SERPS with countless Amazon/Dealtime/etc pages, and also the PDF upsurge. This drastically reduced quality in a substantial number of areas. It was widely noticed and commented upon, not just on WebmasterWorld.
But credit where credit is due. Thanks, to some degree, I suspect, to many on here, who banged on about it for weeks, Google did investigate.
More than that, they addressed the problem. The index at time of writing this is much cleaner. In fact, it is as clean as I can ever remember it. Whatever tweak they applied worked wonders. The spAmazon is largely suppressed, and the PDFs no longer make returns untenable in those niche areas they affected.
As I posted in the thread referenced above, Google deserves credit for this, and it would be churlish not to acknowledge that.
There's no need for me to make a redundant post to your similar reply on the other thread, just see my reply here [webmasterworld.com]
My opinion of Google still stand...the quality of serp is less sterling compared to 5-6 months ago thus affecting traffic by either burying quality sites a few pages down with a bunch of redundant garbage sites at the top which in turn discourage regular user to search further, opting for alternative search engine.
Google is no longer my personal search engine of choice, a dime a dozen, does not stand out any longer among the crowd. Since this fiasco, I've been using an off-line meta search engine.
Don't get me wrong, I'm still gettin a lot of traffic from Google but so what? If I have to wade through a bunch of irrelevant sites to find what I'm looking for then it's just a matter of time that others will find an alternative.
Hopefully, Yahoo will be dropping Google and MSN will have its own engine, by then, some webmasters here will have a new engine to worship.
Ultimately I see a 20% drop, so not a really big deal to me, but the users are having to scroll through the crap returns to get to us.
That's not good for Google.
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Ha! Just searched a very competitive query of over 10M and #3 is the above :D
That just prove one thing...if Google is so good and 'was' able to crawl and index that page, it is just logical that Google have considered the content of that page and have ranked it according to their so called 100 factors.
There is no way that particular page would have ranked higher at all if the content was 'even remotely' considered.
Therefore...content is dead and along with it is the mantra of 'build high quality content pages'.
Forget building rich content pages, that page won't rank higher, instead, concentrate on building links it doesn't matter if the target page is blank or garbage.
Long live links campaign :D
I haven't noticed any problems with Google referrals. (My rankings in Google don't change a whole lot from month to month.) On the other hand, my MSN referrals have been down a bit lately, but that's a topic for another forum.