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Rolling update produces relevant results?

Does the new update/ filtering provide the most relevant results?

         

Sammy Jankis

9:09 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi guys,

I've noticed that since moving to the rolling update, Google is not providing the most relevant results for some terms. Under one specific 3 word term (service and geographical location) the companies that I would expect to be prominent are totally absent. The top result spells the geographical location incorrectly, shows no backward links and is actually a site of doorway pages aiming at a specific company (offering an unrelated service).

The number of search results returned under this search is 11,300 but I notice that at the sj and zu datacentres, the results number 61,300 and return the leading companies. Is this the result of an over-zealous filter? I admit to not fully understanding why different datacentres have different results. I thought that each was updated with the new filter once a re-indexing took place?

Can anyone explain this?

Beachboy

9:41 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Agree. There is one four kw phrase that ought to draw very specific, highly relevant results for one site I know of. The kw phrase consists of a locality and a topic. The site I mentioned places #7. The #1 site is relevant also, but the sites at #2 through #6 have no reason to be there. These SERPS look really dumb. And it's been this way for going on two months.

allanp73

10:07 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have noticed this for the past several months. In fact results are useless when trying to find information about a specific location. Before the shift towards a continuous update I found the results fairly good and easy to understand why certain sites ranked better than others. Now it is not obvious I see sites with no links or related content ranking much better than sites with more links and better content. There is something new about the way Google determines ranking and I would like to hear people's thought as to what it is.

Jakpot

11:22 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"There is something new about the way Google determines ranking and I would like to hear people's thought as to what it is."

What I think is unprintable.
There are probably to many Google folk tinkering with the data base.

DaveAtIFG

11:28 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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IMHO, results a year or more ago were eerily accurate for every search. It was like Google was reading my mind! A three word phrase was usually all I needed to find exactly what I was seeking, occasionally I'd need to add a forth or fifth.

Google's accuracy began to erode after the upgrade last fall. Since the Dominic update it's been difficult not to notice the degraded results.

All that said, it's still not clear to me exactly how far Google has progressed with the upgrade that GoogleGuy announced about Dominic/Esmeralda time. It appears to me that they are still working on it, at least tweaking filters, etc.

In other threads, GoogleGuy has been actively seek reports about specific SERP problems and those seem to get resolved fairly quickly. I guess I'd like to see a status from GoogleGuy as to Google's progress with this upgrade before making any major site changes or algo conclusions.

northweb

7:19 pm on Aug 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Will their be any monthly updates?

johnnydequino

7:28 pm on Aug 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Northweb - if there every is/was going to be another update, all bets are on this weekend.

(At least mine, anyway)

jd

jcoronella

8:06 pm on Aug 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Northweb - if there every is/was going to be another update, all bets are on this weekend.
(At least mine, anyway)

Close, but it will be next weekend. It's on a three week major cyle and has been very regular for about 3 months. There is also a minor cycle that is the "continuous update".

Back to the topic at hand: My belief is that the vast brain trust they have at google cannot keep up with the collective brain trust of webmaster world, et al. It's a constant game of spy vs spy and bad serps are just the black hats' victories. The phoenix will rise from the ashes of Google, and it will be a bird not created of Page Rank, but some obscure technology that the spammers have not had a chance to study. It's a vicious cycle.

[added] That's not to say that the new engine won't come from Google, Inc. itself [/added]

GrinninGordon

1:40 am on Aug 29, 2003 (gmt 0)



Funny

"Search returns not relevant" = "My site not number one". So go use a directory like Yahoo!

The issue as jcoronella and others have noted, is that too many people know how Google tick. So their relevant sites are number 1, not the others who are complaining.

Oh, I used to "b" too. And there have been times I told G about bad results and Spam (they even agreed with me and banned a load of Spam). But now those Spam sites are back, and I just have had to learn how to be more relevant than they are!

I think, if Yahoo get the directory Vs Inktomi db / search engine in the right balance, they will c all over Google / ODP. If you make generic search terms directory (good human editor) based, there will be a ton less Spam.

;-)

AAnnAArchy

2:57 am on Aug 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

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GrinninGordon <<"Search returns not relevant" = "My site not number one".>>

Naw, sometimes "search returns not relevant" = search returns not relevant.