pr0

Can this hurt your rankings?

[bekyed]

Hi,

Can you tell me if i link to a pr 0 site can this hurt my rankings from a a pr4 page?

Bek

[ciml]

It won't normally matter; if it's a link exchange then the other site probably doesn't have much PR to give back. On the other hand, recently PR updates have been less frequent than in the past so you may be seeing their PR before they were given a good link.

In rare cases, the other site has PR0 because of a penalty. If you link to pages that Google considers a 'bad neighbourhood', then you could catch a penalty. Please don't worry too much about this; such penalties are quite rare and PR0 URLs are usually just pages that didn't have any decent links at the last PR update.

[onfire]

What if any of the outbound links are part of the Zeus collective?

We should be showing PR now, but its still at Zero, and maybe we have not moved off the bottom yet because we have one or 2 links that are part of the Zeus collective, and their (outboud links part of the Zeus collective) PR is going up and down like a YOYO, one day its PR0 then PR3 and then today its PR Gray bar.

DO you think i am better off just removing these from my links as they may be causing the problem of us staying at PR0?

[natim]

I know many people using Zeus and in that group they have PR 6 and higher. Also they happen the have the #1 spot for quite a few keywords. I have exchanged links with many people using Zeus as it's pretty easy to identify even when they don't display the Zeus name. Has not hurt me in any way.

[bekyed]

If they are part of the zeus collection they would be gone from my web links immediately as google does not like artificial link programs.

Bek

[rogerd]

Bekyed, getting back to the original question... As ciml points out, there are lots of PR0 pages out there now, and most of them aren't "bad neighborhoods". The only think I'd add to ciml's advice is to take a look around the PR0 site for evidence of dodgy techniques. If you see anything spammy or, in particular, that looks like some kind of link farm scheme, don't link to it.

[sit2510]

>>> Can you tell me if i link to a pr 0 site can this hurt my rankings from a a pr4 page?

bekyed,

Linking to only 1 PR0 site or more from your PR4 page generally won't hurt your ranks, but you may want to consider the quota for PR0 sites if you think they are and will be valuable to you in the future.

To elaborate further, you may want to consider the dynamic PR strength of your whole site - from the past and new links. If you link out too much to PR0 sites from PR4 page than the PR strength of your site can afford, then you may see some negative effects on your rank, provided there are some competitors who are closely behind you. You may not see any negative effect if your old links gain their strength and pass some PR to compensate for it and no competitors overtake you.

[ciml]

You loose just as much PR if you link to PR10 sites. Only if it's a link exchange, does the other site's PR make any difference. Unless the other page has high PR, it won't make much difference anyway.

[onfire]

OK, so when should a site be seeing PR then?
How many links does it take just to show anything, as I am stuck at PR0 even with the latest change in PR & backlinks and I have a DMOZ backlink showing as well.

That's why I mentioned the 2 Zeus backlinks I have, and seeing their links pages bouncing around, from showing PR, back to PR0 and now grey, but their index and other pages are showing PR and its being passed on ok, until the links page, where things are changing a lot but I do get some traffic from these links as well but they could be harming me

[amberbaby]

I still have not made my mind up about whether a link exchange is beneficial or not, so I'd like an opinion on this:
I want a high PR on page A, so I create a link exchange and link out from page B (low PR) to another site who links back to my page A from a low PR page (his links page)
Would I increase PR on page A and only bleed PR on page B or will it affect my whole site?

[johnnydequino]

Another link exchange issue - how many link exchanges is enough links? How about 25 PR5 and above link exchanges - enough? Need more? Never enough?

jd

[rogerd]

The quantity you cite will certainly get a new site well off the ground, johnnydequino, but the "never enough" part may be true, too. A lot depends on your competition and both their linkage and degree of optimization. The stronger they are, the stronger you'll need to be.

[davewray]

Onfire-

It took my site nearly 4 months from the time it was indexed in Google to see any PR at all. And I pretty much started my linking campaign right off the bat. I have traded links with PR6 sites and sites that incorporate zeus. I have just received a PR4 and have good positions in the SERPs for many keyphrases. IF you think the other site offers good and useful information to your visitors then link to them. If the site is useless (just full of affiliate links) or uses dodgy spam techniques then I would not link to them.

Dave.

[watercrazed]

Hi, I am a Zeuser, though I have a number of issues with it, it works fine and used as recommended it does not hurt your or your linking partners PR. To rehash old threads Google did/does have a problem with link page indexes named themeindex.htm. But link sturctures renamed properly caterogized,ect.. work well for everyone involved. Lately my PR on my index page is a 5 with my link index page a 4 but my interior linking pages dropped to 2's and 1's, from historical 3's and 4's. If you look close there are still a few tailtale or is it taletail signs of a directory created with zeus, but since I completed my modifications I have never had a person refuse a link that cited a zeus connection.