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A thought about PR and updates

just struck me

     

dgdclynx

9:19 pm on Jul 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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GoogleGuy said here a month or two ago that we could expect one last Google dance. But now with the continuous updating of the index this seems unnecessary. Which leaves the matter of the PRs to be sorted. Perhaps this last promised dance will be the updating of the PRs, after which they will receive the same continual treatment causing minor fluctuations. How is this for a hypothesis?
The present situation puzzles me.

Marcia

7:20 am on Jul 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This may seem like a redundant question, but I've been finding myself wondering about the same thing. If there's to be only one more regular type update - maybe none for evermore, we can't completely rule out that possibility - then that means that PR will have to be updated on the fly or maybe in some other way, not all at once, once a month, in the same way as it was as we came to know it.

dgdclynx

8:42 am on Jul 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Somebody on the alt newsgroup was saying that because few people have toolbars Google may be in no hurry to sort out PRs.

Marcia

8:46 am on Jul 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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When we really think about it, why should they be in a hurry to update the toolbar PR when some folks play it like a fiddle? How many among us will actually come out and admit that that's what we use the toolbar PR for?

mayday9

9:00 am on Jul 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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how bout they need to update the PR cause that's a BIG part of their entire system by which they rate importance of a site and accordingly display it in SERPS. Who cares about visual PR on the toolbar. You can feel PR by traffic google sends you. Untill they come up with some better way to measure the importance of sites PR is their best shot, so in order to stay #1 user friendly SE they need the PR system.

Darko

steveb

9:02 am on Jul 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The beta toolbar having pagerank says a lot. Also, the non-update of the directory seems very very likely to be related to the pagerank aspect, since any of a zillion sites update their dmoz clones regularly.

They don't feel comfortable updating pagerank based on the quality of what they are seeing in-house (in-plex). Whenever they feel they are ready to show it again, they will. Hopefully at that point we will also see updated backlinks.

Whatever else can be said about the "new google", it is currently much slower at accurately ranking new webpages/sites. What was a monthly process is now a seasonal one.

mipapage

9:09 am on Jul 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Did I miss something important here:

GoogleGuy said here a month or two ago that we could expect one last Google dance.

I could swear that he said that before Esmerelda - which means that there will not be another dance.

Am I wrong?

Monkscuba

9:35 am on Jul 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Marcia,

Actually I play the toolbar more like a guitar.

Marcia

9:40 am on Jul 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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<== Learned to play the harmonica at the ripe old age of 7. ;)

Seriously, they're not obligated to reveal anything to us. The toolbar PR was an enjoyable perk while it was around, but we can't force them to give it back to us.

Perplexed

9:40 am on Jul 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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actually,... I cant get the damn thing to work. I have the google search box and an empty bar. All the goodies are listed in a drop down menu but I cannot get them onto the bar.

Mind you, I have a sneeky feeling this has something to do with some setting on my computer rather than the toolbar.

Perplexed

9:45 am on Jul 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"but we can't force them to give it back to us."

Actually, I think we could. If we were to make a concerted joint effort. ( which we wont )

Google is there for the surfers rather than us but it would not exist without us and a high enough number of robot txt exclusions could force the issue :)

I wouldn't want to work out which of us would go out of business first though :)

Monkscuba

9:55 am on Jul 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"high enough number of robot txt exclusions"

I reckon a billion or so would be enough.

dgdclynx

10:34 am on Jul 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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mipapage...I understood GG to say there would be one more dance after Esmeralda. This would be before Esmeralda took place.

Widestrides

7:12 pm on Aug 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

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actually,... I cant get the damn thing to work. I have the google search box and an empty bar. All the goodies are listed in a drop down menu but I cannot get them onto the bar.

Perplexed,

I think I know how to help. Just click on "Options" on the toolbar and then "Okay." Then the PR bar and the rest of the toolbar lights up! Don't ask me why this extra step is necessary, but I stumbled on to it and it works.

synergy

7:39 pm on Aug 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Whatever else can be said about the "new google", it is currently much slower at accurately ranking new webpages/sites. What was a monthly process is now a seasonal one.

A site I finished recently was indexed and in the top 30 for 8 keywords within 3 weeks of completion and submission.

Silicon

7:52 pm on Aug 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Esmerelda was the last update...HELLO?

rfgdxm1

8:19 pm on Aug 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>When we really think about it, why should they be in a hurry to update the toolbar PR when some folks play it like a fiddle? How many among us will actually come out and admit that that's what we use the toolbar PR for?

The phrase I was thinking of to describe how people around here play the toolbar is like a "harp from hell." ;)

Arnett

3:16 am on Sep 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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When we really think about it, why should they be in a hurry to update the toolbar PR when some folks play it like a fiddle? How many among us will actually come out and admit that that's what we use the toolbar PR for?

ROFLMAO. Good one. I,personally,use it for its entertainment value.

Arnett

3:19 am on Sep 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Whatever else can be said about the "new google", it is currently much slower at accurately ranking new webpages/sites. What was a monthly process is now a seasonal one.

Too true. My unborn children will die of old age by the time my new pages get indexed. If not,then certainly by the time the backlinks are calculated.

mcavic

6:07 am on Sep 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hey all, check your PR again. It's just been updated in the last week or two (on www-cw and other datacenters too). I have two new sites, one that's showing PR3 and another showing PR5 now.

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My unborn children will die of old age by the time my new pages get indexed.

Disagree. I have to say that I'm very happy right now with the speed of pages being indexed and the algo. Of course, not perfect yet, but getting there. *Especially* compared to other SE's.

nvision

7:37 am on Sep 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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True what mcavic says - checking a few sites, PR has fluctuated since last week. Thankfully, for the better :)

::
nvision

adamas

7:45 am on Sep 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've had a new site up for three weeks. For two weeks Google has been indexing the home page every day but has yet to take a single other page.

mil2k

8:07 am on Sep 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My general observation is that google is taking too long to crawl inner pages of a site. :(

suggy

8:32 am on Sep 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I don't know - perhaps crawling is effected by site structure.

My PR4 went up to PR5 a few days ago and it seems to be sticking.

When I add pages, they are indexed within a couple of days and in the SERPS definitely within a week.

I have all my 250 or so pages in the root directory.

OK, so in the days of freshie, you could get a page in within 24hours if your timing was fortunately. But constant updates seem to be working OK for me.

One benefit: cache is fresher, like days old instead of months under old regime...

Just my two penneth...

Steve

mcavic

5:07 pm on Sep 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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google is taking too long to crawl inner pages of a site.

That might be true, but I think it's doing waaay better than Ink, Tehoma, and even Fast.

Macro

7:38 pm on Sep 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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google is taking too long to crawl inner pages of a site

I dunno. I put a new site up with one link from a PR3 site. Google picked it up and indexed all 25 pages within 24 hours.

On the downside a site that had a PR6 for a long time has just dropped to a PR5 for no apparent reason :-(

seofreak

7:41 pm on Sep 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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probably the backlinks you had have had their PR dropped which caused this?

BlueSky

8:25 pm on Sep 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've had a new site up for three weeks. For two weeks Google has been indexing the home page every day but has yet to take a single other page.

Google is relunctant to index pages whose urls have session id's or more than two variables being passed. If this is not your problem, then I recommend you get someone preferably like a PR6 in the same subject area to deep link to one of your internal pages. He may grab that one page initially and pretty quick too while he indexes the other site but he should come back with his relatives to index the rest of yours. At least, he did for me. All my inbound so far are deep links to the meat of the site.

Arnett

2:10 am on Sep 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Disagree. I have to say that I'm very happy right now with the speed of pages being indexed and the algo. Of course, not perfect yet, but getting there. *Especially* compared to other SE's.

I'm glad that SOMEONE is happy. You obviously don't have THOUSANDS of new pages that have been waiting for going on 2 months to be added. DeepBot ran off with my wife and I sure do miss him.

Arnett

3:06 am on Sep 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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When we really think about it, why should they be in a hurry to update the toolbar PR when some folks play it like a fiddle? How many among us will actually come out and admit that that's what we use the toolbar PR for?

You don't really need the toolbar to "play" PR. Try that with a fiddle.

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