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They are using hidden div. (visibility: hidden;) there are too many links in it. links go to same webpages with different header. these webpages go to the homepage.
I have reported them several times. It is really easy to understand how do they abuse. If one of google employee see this site they will drop it. but there were nothing happened to website. they have been use this spam at least since 6 months.
Thats why i really affraid that this company paid to google.
Is this posibble? If i have $1,000,000 to pay google can i make spam.
Or google still not enough good to catch hidden div?
I will keep reporting these sites maybe i will success.
thanks
I have reported the site to google, but nothing has happen, in fact the have now moved up to #1 slot.
they have been use this spam at least since 6 months.
Ok guys have you considered the possibility that the Spam Report team at google might be studying the site to learn more why that page was not picked up by their Algorithyms? And no they are the last people I expect who will accept payments for SPAM :)
Anything is possible. However, it occurs to me that with $1,000,000 you could buy a lot of Adwords.
Ok guys have you considered the possibility that the Spam Report team at google might be studying the site to learn more why that page was not picked up by their Algorithyms?
It has been stated in other threads that Google does not read CSS files. If this is indeed correct, I don't think it would take a member of the spam report team more than about fifteen seconds to works out why their algos did not detect this hidden text.
I don't yet have any CSS files on my website so I can't verify if Google reads them or not. Would anyone else like to comment?
Kaled.
e.g. one the sites that is linked to, does it show the spammy page when you are searching for links pointing to them?
I asked Google why and the response was something like "it's not as bad as some of the doorway pages I've seen". A doorway page is a doorway page as far as I'm concerned. I guess they make users less trusting of genuine sites in SERPs and more careful what sites they click on. Other decent sites could be in the place of where the doorway pages are too. Some keywords I check, the main site and doorway page of a company are in the same SERP, so what is the point.
best wishes,
GoogleGuy
<div id="content" style="position:absolute; left:5; top:5; width:5; height:5; z-index:1; overflow: hidden; visibility: hidden; background-color: #FFFFFF; layer-background-color: #FFFFFF; border: 1px none #000000;">
I'd be happy to do another spam report if it will help.
A bit off topic but quite a few domains using cloaking seem to be doing ok at the moment, not too bad if relevant but the results returned were not. I could put together a report on those as well all though I did do a spam report a little while back.
The data centers look more settled today, many on WW may be interested to know if this is a temporary repreive from the recent torture.
I dont think Google has to worry about msn yet.I have expired domains that are just redirects to sponsors getting top spots in msn.
The funny thing is I get as much traffic from these as legit sites in google.
Alan
I dont think Google has to worry about msn yet.I have expired domains that are just redirects to sponsors getting top spots in msn.
Same thing with Google, there are retired domains(not expired but no longer operational) that are still ranking in the top 10 of their old key phrases ;)
For about the last 6 months or more they were using a JS redirect with hidden (about 20 H1 tags) text on the page so Googlebot would find the text and index just the keyword saturated page.
Now they have changed their index page so that the text that was hidden because of the redirect is now hidden behind their regular content and taken out the redirect (I guess they figured out that the redirect code only worked in newer MSIE w/java on).
I have given up on reporting large companies to Google. I have just stopped watching the Google results and focused on making customers happy and enjoying what little free time I have working on my Jeep.
BTW: I have included my id in the reports.
Why should a spam report including an ID from Webmaster World get any preference over all the other reports at Google?
Do they just ignore most of the others?
Having filed one some time ago + a repetition recently, without any action being taken, is the only alternative to submit the report every day until something is done about it? The duplication, by this company in this sector, is so blatant (over 200 domains) to be almost unbelievable. It even involves DMOZ listings for one or two that I have checked.
IT IS FRUSTRATING AND ANNOYING (as has been said many times in this forum) to all webmasters who try to conform to the "requirements" of Google to give in context related results for themselves and their clients, only to find spam sites listed above them in the SERP's and for Google not to action the submitted reports or even respond to them in a business like manner.
And I still wonder why we should divulge our Webmaster World username to Google to receive preferential treatment.
Are they building a dossier on us :-) or is it just easier for them to find the one that GG wishes to "investigate"?
Or maybe is there any other reason?
EW
What about the spam sites below you - or don't they matter ;)
Looks like a blatant attempt to manipulate results in your favour to me if all you care about is getting allegedly spammy sites above you removed!
Most certainly. I guess those are nothing but data collections, data on what, where, who, by whom.
There are people who regularly anonymously report their own throw away domains just to benchmark the spamreporting process. No consequences ever.
About huge companies: I would think Google tries to work with them directly, convincing them to pour their advertising dollars directly into the right channels at Google.
Well I am aware of a site that is selling Page Rank, by using more sober words like "Static Text Links". However it is easy to differentiate cuz.. these "Static Text Links" are not really visible on the site and are *not* at all related to the content of the site, They have estimated the cost of PR 8/9 links to approximately US$ 5000.00/month from 1 page. This site has been there for long now and does have a good PR of 8 (sometimes 9).
I guess, they haven't learned their lesson from searchking's issue or they might be thinking that google can't find out their tricks.
Or google still not enough good to catch hidden div?
1) One Law firm
2) About 20 different sites
3) Almost similar content
4) Different page names (domain.com/page1.html is same as domain.com/type1.html)
5) They are also using hidden text and text with almost same color as bg..
The funny thing is... these sites have been using same techniques for very long now and still enjoying high ranking.... good? or bad?
Should have made it clearer that "all sites - instead of those above" in my posting.
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Thanks for pointing it out.
EW
ruserious, they have more than 100 hidden links. all of them indexed. all of them has good positions.
GoogleGuy, i have submitted 4 reports. i am sure that you will see how do they abuse. I will reply this topic if they dropped down from google.
however in a recent thread GoogleGuy came back and informed the Author, that his many times was in fact only twice, and 1 of them had been a few hours earlier...
As for giving webmasterworld ID, I would think that we should all be grateful that Google respects us for what/who we are, and gives more priority than avergae Joe Public, purely because we should actually know what we are talking about.
And finally as has been mentioned over and over, things take time, I am all for building an algo that picks these bad sites, rather than moving to hand edit each time.
after all Google is based on automation, so doing hand removals loses the purpose imo.
However if you see something like a Sick Porn site, come up for a Childrens Cartoon character, than hand edits are suited, and from personal experience, these have been removed immediaetly in the past.
as for having a $1,000.000 to get preferential treatment?
YES, you will get pens, mugs, t-shirts and a holding hand, but from a LOT of experience, Google sales dept do NOT, repeat do NOT control the algo or the serps.
at times it feels like 2 completly different companies altogether, and trust me when I say that a few of us here know a bit about Google sales departments and their staff across the world.
my 2 rupees worth...
Shak
The ads are their own business and should be of no concern to you, unless you simply want to outrank the pages buying ads.
If Google wants to police the way people sell ads, that's their perogative, but it has already effected everyone in their recent devaluing of PR in the algo.
They should have targeted Yahoo long ago I guess, as everyone buys links from them for $300 solely for Google.
Every time GoogleGuy posts, members start crying to him about spam.
If his role becomes only to serve as a liason to WW cops, it will be really sad.
Of course, GG will gladly accept reports. You are doing the work that Google employees get paid for, free of charge.
It is nice when someone has issues with their sites and GG has been gracious enough to take a look. However, complaining about other sites (probably other WW members) is just plain weak and brings the forum down.
For all the police/snitches here, there is no reason to post about it. Simply send in your testimony and hope you don't get nailed yourself in the process.
My 2 cents...
Thanks for commenting on my post..
The ads are their own business.
Every time GoogleGuy posts, members start crying to him about spam.
Of course, GG will gladly accept reports. You are doing the work that Google employees get paid for, free of charge.
However, complaining about other sites (probably other WW members) is just plain weak and brings the forum down.
For all the police/snitches here, there is no reason to post about it. Simply send in your testimony and hope you don't get nailed yourself in the process.
NS :)
"If you have spam to report, please report it to Google. We are not the Google spam reporting system..."
How does it help the forum to say that you know of a site that's spamming?
<<If end user does not mind filling out the form.. then I guess in their mind it is a good use of their time >>
Not sure how this relates to buying PR? There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that an end user is going to check backlinks to see how a page received ranking and report it to google. It's webmasters that want to gain ranking that would do this.
Maybe, if you worded it, "A technique that's working for gaining high ranking"...
The ads are their own business and should be of no concern to you
Well when someone is buying PR or using techniques that are not ethical... it might be giving them positive results, however it hurts *tons* of other people in negative manner..
NS
