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allinanchor does fine, but text & title doesn't - why?

8:17 am on Jul 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm trying to sort out who Google wants to partner with in this dance: allinanchor, allintitle or allintext. My site does excellent (top 2 rating) for competitive keyword when allinanchor results are displayed. However, when allintext and allintitle are used in the SERPS, which is most of the time, now that the dance seems to be slowing down(?) the site drops to #400.

Anyone else notice the same? Any suggestions on what I can do to get better results for allintext and allintitle?

11:41 am on July 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This behaviour is well known (see for example msg #18 in this thread [webmasterworld.com]). As far as I known, it was first mentioned after the Dominic update in the semi-penalty discussion [webmasterworld.com]. There are different opinions, if it's a kind of penalty, filter, algorithm change or a bug. Also, there are different opinions about the reasons, especially if it's caused by on-page factors or anchor text. Maybe you are interested in this thread [webmasterworld.com]. There are many other discussions related to this topic (look for threads that mention 'index page dropped' or do a site search).
2:15 am on July 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Faced the same problem.

Rated on page one for all in anchor but nowhere for for allintext: and allintitle:

It eventually sorted itself out. However like you I would still like to know what the factors are that are causing such a dramatic change.

Perhaps allintitle: and allintext: return the regular SERPs just filtering out the pages that don't contain the search terms in the titles or text.

2:40 pm on July 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have exactly the same problem, asked for help on this forum but they edvised to search, I searched but found nothing on on my questions.

Would anybody tell us the factors that are coasing change in allintext and allintitle results; and what do that results mean?

Dear Experts Please Help Us.

P.S.Please don't tell us "go and search", I searched a lot and could not find the exact answer to the questions above.

3:01 pm on July 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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yes, i noticed this. It seems your keyword(s) are being ignored, probably because of optimisation. Something else i noticed for the first time today, the google cache and page title belong to different versions of my page. In trying to adjust for what i believe is a filter i have chnaged my titles. Google is now mix'n'matching my pages and titles.
3:09 pm on July 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Currently on -fi, different search phrases throw up fresh or un-fresh versions of my index page! Also, the cache size of the un-fresh tagged page relates to an older version of the page, although the page displayed (if the cache is opened) is the current one.

Stranger still, if I search using allintext:keyphrase1 it shows the fresh tagged page (doing badly) while allinachor:keyphrase1 shows the un-fresh tagged page (doing well)

3:34 pm on July 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm experiencing the same problem.

On late evening Sunday June 29, my index page recuperated its top ten position. However, early on July 4 with the new fresh tags July 2 or July 3, my index page vanished again.

I just checked my main keyword phrase using allinanchor word_1 word_2 word_3 word_4 and my index page is number 10. The same index page is hard to find under allintitle or allintext.

On June 28, I adjusted the text on my index page. I brought down keyword density for word_1 and word_2 to 5.23% each and word_3 and word_4 to 4.65% each.

I checked total percentages on other 6 web sites within the top ten (word_1 word_2 word_3 word_4) and these are the results:

Web site A: 17.68% (site uses doorways)
Web site B: 7.31% (site uses link farm)
Web site C: 19.16%
Web site D: 9.65%
Web site E: 17.66%
Web site F: 18.44%

My site: 19.76%

The first six sites are still showing in the top ten under a regular search for word_1 word_2 word_3 word_4. My web site isn't showing on the top 100.

The main difference in between my web site and the first 6 is that mine is 7 or 8 months old. The first six are 2 to 5 years old.

I believe the problem is described on paragraph no 5 in a study made in late 2002 by Microsoft and HP: "The Google search engine attempts to maintain a fresh index by crawling over 3 billion pages once a month [7], with more frequent crawls of hand-selected sites that are known to change more often. In addition, it offers access to cached copies of pages, to obviate problems arising some of the crawled URLs being out-of-date or having disappeared entirely." [research.microsoft.com...]