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Inbound links - Why Missing?

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IITian

9:30 pm on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I know, most of you have thousands of links and you don't notice a few hundreds of them missing, assured by Google that it does not necessarily lists all the links. However, for me, who has just a few links, such omissions are noticeable and leads me to believe that Google does not know how to count links or for that matter how to compute PR and is relying on webmasters to believe that all is working fine and links are not shown by design rather by some things not working in Google.

My example:

I have two sites and one went from PR2 to PR3 and the other one remained at 0. After you finish laughing please read my side of the story since I think both these PRs are going to stick.

1. I got links to both sites from a PR6 page more than a month ago. That page contains about 40 links. When I type in the url of my both sites, I see that page under "pages containing the term" option. It means Google is aware of this. However, when I look under link command, they are missing.

I checked the page and there is nothing funny about that. Moreover, a checked under another site which is linked from there showed that page linking to it. It means it is not a "bad neighborhood" page. I wonder when Google knows that my url is there, why won't it consider to be a link?

2. I got a link from a PR5 page with about 30 outgoing links about a month ago. In this case Google does not even know that my url is mentioned on that page.

3. One of my sites is placed in one local directory. One of its pages (PR5) has about 10 links one of which is to a page containing link to my site. Funny part is that linked page (that which contains url to my site) is only PR3 even though that page has 5-6 additional cross-links coming to it from that directory. Possible but highly unlikely. PR4 should have been most likely or even PR5 for that page.

4. DMOZ listing in a PR6 category is perhaps too recent for counting but I am not sure.

So here I am, struggling at PR3 and PR0. I really think most of us, after we have got a few dozens of links, are not able to detect such things. But I am able to and it tells me that something is not right. Maybe the links which Google claims it is not showing, are not there in their databases! (BTW my code is clean and so on.)

vitaplease

7:15 am on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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IITian,

I would really forget Pagerank indications for the moment.
Google cannot correctly indicate the "importance" of pages as they say ;).
(at least for pages made in the last months)

IMO, for PR4+ backlinks to show properly and consistently, they have had to be placed well over a month ago. That does not necessarily mean more recent link additions do not factor in in rankings.

Morgan

7:25 am on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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All you can do is be patient a while longer. I have many links in the same situation, it often takes a couple cycles to show up. I can search for the text and see that the page linking to me is cached with my link on it, but it's not yet shown in my link: results or computed into my PageRank. I wouldn't normally be concerned unless the link was more than 2 months old. As things are now, kind of weird and all, I'd try to relax for three.

IITian

12:43 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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vitaplease:
IMO, for PR4+ backlinks to show properly and consistently, they have had to be placed well over a month ago. That does not necessarily mean more recent link additions do not factor in in rankings.

I am doing very well on searches with my PR2/PR3 site on all my keywords. I think you are right.

Morgan: Thanks. It is frustrating though. I really want to see all my backlinks having worked for them. ;)

mfishy

12:48 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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<<I would really forget Pagerank indications for the moment.
Google cannot correctly indicate the "importance" of pages as they say ;).
(at least for pages made in the last months) >>

Vitaplease, I hope, and assume you are correct. Unless Goolge has made sweeping changes to the way in which PR is calculated. Newer pages are showing absurdly low PR, despite links from established PR 6 and 7 pages.

The question is, if PR, and backlinks in general, are still perculating, has it been factored into the SERPS for the new index?

IITian

12:57 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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mfishy, my current theory is that the new pages are "gradually" assigned their proper PRs over a couple of cycle. It could be a mechanism for spam control. Just one of my many guesses. ;)

mfishy

1:58 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



That's an interesting theory. Certainly has not been the case in the past, but could explain some of the weird PR 3's :)

If Google is doing this it seems flawed. Many new pages are on new topics/technology and should be jusged by the web, not an assumption by GG that new pages are spam.

JasonHamilton

2:05 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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How do you guys get a PR3 / PR4?

A site of mine started out at PR5, and has been that way for 4 months, including the current index. I'd like to get higher, but I always assumed PR5 was the default, and lower = penalty. Was I wrong in that assumption?

mfishy

2:12 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Yah, you were wrong in that theory. There is no default PR.

I had never had an index page come in lower than 5 until now, but that is simply because they had links from PR5+ pages. Not sure what the case is now, but it cannot be helping ranking for these new pages.

rogerd

2:15 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Administrator 10+ Year Member



I think there has been a lowering of default PR, if such a thing existed. I've seen several sites start up with PR0, where in the past the only time I saw a PR0 was on a penalized site. Plus, of course, there's toolbar weirdness...

IITian

2:19 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



mfishy, displayed PR (for a couple of months) could be different from the internal PR used to compute rankings.