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Proper

7:37 am on Jun 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi all
I've been waiting patiently for google to do it's thing.
I would like to know if this is ok or if I need to fix something.

My backlinks have been halving(ish) with each update. I was at 300 backlinks, 2 updates before & now at 90 backlinks.

Now people are reporting better backlink results. I know about only PR 4 showing, but I actually have over 800 sites linking to me. I was convinced that google was reducing my links because I had my link tracking directory Disallowed in robots.txt (stopping google from seeing some external links). But I changed that over a month a go & no change. I'm worried my last 6 months work will go down the drain eventually when all my backlinks dissapear.

any ideas anyone?

ciml

11:14 am on Jun 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to WebmasterWorld, proper.

Quite a few people have reported diminishing backlinks over the last few months; the question on my mind is whether the rankings are sliding or not?

I begin to wonder if similar backlinks are being discounted now; whatever the reason it doesn't matter if it affects your competitors in the same way.

DaveN

11:35 am on Jun 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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the question on my mind is whether the rankings are sliding or not?

On some sites YES and others No

I've seen some large portal type sites lose all the outgoing links and increase in pr.

I suppose if you had a site linking to 1000 sites and they all linked back to you google would have done you a great favour by dropping all the outgoing links, can't quite understand why, but it happen to one site we look after.

Dave

John_Creed

11:55 am on Jun 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Now people are reporting better backlink results.

Actually most people are reporting worst backlink results.

My backlinks have improved simply because the last update was showing NO backlinks for my site!

But it's still not showing as many backlinks as it should.

I wouldn't worry too much about how many backlinks you have. First check how well you're ranking. Than check your PR. If you're ranking bad and your PR doesn't appear to be what it should be....than i'd worry and wonder why Google isn't finding my links.

my3cents

12:56 pm on Jun 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It's already been established that G is only displaying backlinks above a certain threshold (3.?)

Also, the backlink count before Dominic was a estimation - which in most cases was as much as double the actual number of backlinks above the threshold.

While most would react negatively toward losing backlinks. the fact is that the new estimate is much closer to the actual number than before. So if you are missing 40% of yours, your competitors probably are too, so all in all, it's pretty equal.

If this is the case, it would explain why one of my sites lost so much ranking. My competitors have 25-30 backlinks, but it estimated 45-60 for them. I had about 155 and it estimated about 300. They lost 20 -30 links, I lost 150.

I tried to find all 300 and list them, but no amount of searching would return more than about 140, which just happens to be my new count. I may have another 160 PR1&2 websites linking to me, but in the scope of things, if they are not counting my competitors 1's and 2's, then I don't mind if they don't count mine.

...sounds fair to me...

my3cents

NovaW

3:15 pm on Jun 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Also, the backlink count before Dominic was a estimation

not sure that is true

junai3

4:55 pm on Jun 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I hear what you're saying, that if Google is reducing the number of backlinks for your sites as well as your competitors then everything is fair and not to worry about it. But what if Google hasn't reduced the backlinks of your competitors as much as they have reduced yours? My backlinks have diminished significantly. My PR is the same, 5, but my ranking for my top keyword (all my other keywords seem fine) has fallen from the 1st page to 6-12 for 2 of my main sites. While my competition has seemed to remain in the same place. they even have backlinks from the same websites that are showing up for them but not for me.

Could I have a penalty on my sites and not know it? All this talk of the page rank bar messing up. Maybe my PR5 is PR0 but it's just not showing.

mrguy

5:15 pm on Jun 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've seen competitors sites links increase greatly mostly from internal content driven pages through scripts.

It seems the new and un-improved fresh/deep bot likes script generated links more than regular links.

I've had no new internal pages added that count towards the link total since the Feb deepbot. Even though it crawled them in March and April and then added them, Dominic removed them and they continue to be lost.

They show as being in the index, there just not being counted.

At least in my case.

taxpod

5:15 pm on Jun 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've lost a ton of backlinks. I've even lost DMOZ backlinks! The pages are there and the links are there. The DMOZ pages have decent PR but they do not show up in backlinks search.

AthlonInside

6:01 pm on Jun 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If everyone has less backlinks, there is nothing to be worried because it is fair.

It is a good for Google to ignore nastly links like guestbooks/link farms.

mrguy

6:07 pm on Jun 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If everyone has less backlinks, there is nothing to be worried because it is fair.
It is a good for Google to ignore nastly links like guestbooks/link farms.

This is true, however in my industry it is not the case. I know for fact a competitor of mine dropped 4 duplicate sites that were crosslinked. He did so voluntary so as not get a penalty. We're talking at least 1000 links between them.

Instead of going down, they went up in count and the links that are getting counted are from an internal shopping cart. Some the pages are empty carts, no content at all. Some of these pages even show up in the SERP's

How is that fair or even good for Google?

beadguys

12:42 am on Jun 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm having the same problem as junai3 and mrguy. I have lost over half of my back links since May, and I've gone from 2nd to 37th on my main search term. What the heck is going on?

Not only are my competitors NOT losing backlinks from the same sites, but most of the sites taking the top rankings have far less PR and backlinks than my site.

My PR has been everfluxing for days, and it's just getting worse now that the update is on. I've been scrambling to add pages and new links, but nothing seems to be working. Freshbot comes and ignores my changes. My links are all kosher, no farms or other no-no sites.

I'm also seeing a big increase in spam sites and sites using hidden links and text. Out of the top 10 listings for my #1 search term, half of them are using some kind of banned technique. I've made multiple spam reports to Google, but nothing has changed.

So what's a girl to do? If I keep playing nice, I'll soon be completely out of the rankings!

aaronjf

4:30 am on Jun 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Dave, this would explain why the PR on that site went up

...The really nasty part is that unknown to their clients, the SEO also inserted 7-8 hidden links back to the SEO, so roughly half the PageRank that each customer had earned was getting routed to the SEO!...


Take from GoogleGuy's Q & A session [webmasterworld.com]

aaronjf

4:51 am on Jun 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You know, I just checked my rankings in ATW and there is only about a 1 place difference from Google on the site I checked ATW against. My one site that has remained in taked after the Dominic that is. My point is I have the same basic placement for all the phrases I checked, and I very rarely see any traffic from ATW while Google sends an average of 300+ uniques a day my way. So I am not all that sure that the population is loosing faith in Google.