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Pages with a pagerank 1 can top SERPS with 2.3 million results. Zero's are right up there too.
In this light, I guess a PR0 penalty doesn't make much difference?
GG said not to may so much attention to PR.
I've got an internal page that is PRO becasue it is new, yet it shows up as number #1 beating established sites with a high PR. No links to it or nothing, strictly on page optimization.
It was picked up by freshbot over a week ago and has stuck in the index without experiencing the normal everflux. I think this is part of their rolling update where pages get indexed and stay indexed instead of dropping out until the update.
This is a good think!
However, i'd agree with you, if you'd say: pr has been overweighted by webmasters since ever. ;)
I mean, look at it yourself: A well optimized site with a pr of only 1 can beat a site with a pr of 5 or 6... (!)
I have seen it myself dozens of times...
I seriously think that PR is not and won't be as important in the future than it was in the past. The new algo I think is starting to show us that now.
Maybe Google Guy cannot tell us more... I understand his lips are sealed (and they have to be too). There is now way Google will give us or even sell us (!) their magic recipe / formula...
But, I still beleive that PR is not that important anymore and, as times goes by, will probably have less and less importance in the overall serp's.
But, as always, I would certainly like to get your input / feedback on this important subject. I'm I off my rockers?
It is curious though. The sites that rank well lately have masses of backlinks with relevant anchor text. Of course the only way to get them (unless you are IBM or Microsoft) is to make a zillion link swaps, sign a zillion guest books or make the links yourself from your own sites. None of those seem desirable to me from a search engine perspective, so I'm having trouble figuring how this could be an improvement on the "old" PageRank system.
Paying for pagerank seems such a minor problem now when you realize that anyone can get a decent ranking using one of the techniques above. Any of those techniques is easier than obtaining pagerank illicitly, meaning Google is now easier to manipulate.
So what will be Google's response I wonder? A manual fix or undertake a serious review of their over-zealous anti-spam algorithms? If such high quality, unoptimized, high content sites aren't safe, what hope is there for the rest of us?
I'm going to assume that this is a temporary glitch, or that things are still settling, and I'll try not to look at at it again for 24 hours.
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Some examples (I have no vested interest in any of these, they aren't my sites):
The common factor I can see is that they all utilise Google in a manner that would be against Google's T&Cs, most of the above being automated link popularity checks.
[edited by: NFFC at 4:03 pm (utc) on May 26, 2003]
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Sure, have fun trying to figure it out if you want, but you should always keep in mind that you are going on very slim evidence, and some people will read your speculations as being fact.
GG suggested that you ignore the toolbar PR, you might want to take him at his word this time.
Hehehe, are we being groomed for the demise of the Google Toolbar?
The overall argument seems to be that it should be taken away due to the abuse of the system that it has caused. What would we do without it? For most of us, the same thing we've always done, with a little more caution. ;)
<edit>Per BigDave's suggestion.</edit>
[edited by: pageoneresults at 5:24 pm (utc) on May 26, 2003]
Hehehe, we are being groomed for the demise of the Google Toolbar.
I would change the "we are" to "are we" and put a question mark at the end.
I think the toolbar is just broken and it is a low priority to fix. Tell the truth, which would you rather have the backlinks counted and some spam filters working, or the little green bar showing everything right?
I agree. However, with a broken Toolbar PR reading, and a directory that doesn't display the PR correctly either, it is very difficult to see what might be going on.
I also see sites, claiming to be PR1, ranking high for some very common search terms. They show backlinks which suggests their PR is not really one at all. It is difficult to have PR1 with a couple of PR6, several PR5 and numerous PR4 sites as backlinks?.....if those numbers can be believed either!.....It's a great way for Google to keep SEO's confused for a while!
I guess the best thing to do right now is put all effort into new content development and wait a few weeks to see how this lot comes out of the wash.