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I've noticed this before and wonder if there is anything to my theory. A new page gets an estimated pr until the next update but since it wasn't deepcrawled yet it drops down to pr0 until the next update. This might explain some pr0s people are seeing. I have 4 or 5 like this right now most are articles but one is a newish links page.
joined:Oct 27, 2001
joined:Oct 27, 2001
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Not sure about links pages annej. I’m seein many site map and link farm pages with PR. Interesting observation. Guess we have to ‘wait and see’ (catch phrase for this update)
I'm getting the feeling that the toolbar isn't guesstimating anymore.
You may be right but I don't think it's the final PR either. Some are articles that have had pretty big traffic. Hopefully those will get some PR back. I know they have a few backlinks that just aren't showing.
I'd hate to see articles that address hard to find information, in my case on history, will be lost in Google because of PR.
On the straight links pages like my site map I guess it remains to be seen if they will lose the PR permantly. I have older directory pages that haven't lost PR but they have text descriptions with each link. I really don't want to add text because I'm trying to set up a site map that shows the site in a way that visitors can quickly scan and find any page. I'm starting to think it's more a matter of newness, less than 2 or 3 months old, that is causing the PR0
Glad you said that annej as I have this problem on two sites that have been expanded during the past 2-3 months. All internal pages are PR0 on both sites.
I guess this make sense if the index is showing results from 3 months ago - those pages didn't exist then.
I can sleep easy now.
Now the homepage has PR, but all internal pages on the site are PR0. I was concerned, but am glad to see I am not the only one.
I use no sort of tricks and have no one linked to me that does, so i know its not something i did.
All existing pages (pre April) still have same PR
Tradionally - Google guestimated Pagerank (was generally accepted as equal to PR of the top level page eg. index.html minus one PR unit per level of directory) was applied to new, not yet indexed pages - until they were fully indexed.
Grey toolbar PR0 was traditionally most common for the 'new sites' - rather than new pages in an existing, indexed site.
So I agree - the fundamental shift is that new pages, from an existing Pageranked site, no longer 'inherit' or get 'guestimated' pagerank.
eg Look at the toolbar rank for this page now - grey bar. Look at the homepage.
It seems that for these sites of ours Google has suddenly lost its ability to see the backlinks - including Dmoz and Google directory links and internal links. I don't think this is a penalty of any kind, I think Google has just lost the links somewhere. I'm hoping Google will manage a successful deep crawl and index soon and give us our links back!
At the moment both are holding their position in the SERPS
That's one reason I don't think most PROs mean much right now. Hopefully as this update chugs along it will all sort out.
The links pages I'm wondering about though. Does anyone have pages with almost all anchor text that are older than 3 months that have gone PRO? That would tell if this is something separate from the other PROs.
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Its only been over the last few months that new pages I have added to my site have been given PR0... Before that, they were auto assigned the same pr as the rest of my site.
I've seen only two such instances on my site:
1) The PR0 that I'm currently seeing on a fairly new page.
2) Two articles that were published earlier this year. These were spidered by the freshbot and showed a toolbar PageRank of 0 until the next update, when they bounced up to the expected PR4.
I really think people shouldn't worry about PR0 right now if it's just on a few pages and they haven't been doing anything shady.