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5:25 am on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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-dc just entered the game. PRs are going crazy.
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Good deal. Sounds like things are on schedule.
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LOL

dc has fresh tags May 15, 2003

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Hey Googleguy,

Whats on schedule? When will this end? I am pulling my hair out.

My frustration is because since May 13 my home page has gone missing from very popular keywords. I have been sitting in the top 10 for these words for months and months. 1 minute I see my home page in one of the datacenters and the next minute it is gone.

I understand that you want to keep things fresh but I do believe you have gone to far with this update. Keep it simple and quick.

Very frustrated webmaster.

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i am not seeing any changes in the pr
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>Good deal. Sounds like things are on schedule.

Huh? What are you guys at the Googleplex doing? The site of mine that inexplicably fell to #16 on -fi and -sj just hit #1 on that SERP on -dc? Is what is on the Google schedule driving me insane?

And hmm...I'm still nowheresville on that SERP using allinanchor, when that site should be in the top 10. This makes no sense at all. The spammer on that SERP that crept in the top 10 has fallen way down too. Curious what is happening on -dc. I must go investigate further...

[edited by: rfgdxm1 at 8:57 am (utc) on May 17, 2003]

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I meant PR on the Google Bar fluctuates a lot. I am holding my breath because my most important keywords came back to position no. 1 with -dc (from 5th on -sj, -fi and -cw with -dc). Strange though, back links are same in all four (less that half from those on wwww). Seems achor text came back to the calculations.
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>Good deal. Sounds like things are on schedule.

On Schedule for what? Complete disaster?

I have one deliberately very spammy site which ranks great on -dc for numerous terms, while my ultra clean site in the same cat is now ranking lousy.....both have equal backlinks and PR?

Personally I have lost all faith in Google, I'll be advising clients to use Inktomi based search engines in future! They may not index every page...but they don't screw with the algo in this amateurish fashion!

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My German web page had pagerank 5 last month and was in the index. Now all pages are gone and the toolbar is showiung grey (site isnt calculated).

I havent got any doorwaypages or any other illegal thinks.

Reasons?

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I'm not sure percentages if Google is on schedule for disaster, or trying to destroy the mental health of webmasters here. As the site I mentioned previously hitting #1 on -dc falling not to #15, I think Google is just trying to makes us nuts.
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Haha, looks like it is really the FI and not the SJ ....... I am going to lost 80% of my traffic from Google this month.

Come one GOOGLE, why you show my about page somewhere behind instead of my main page!

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nuts..and bolts!

SJ is much nicer, and it's featuring FAR more fashionable colours this season. That should be the new index. DC is old, grey and made out of corduroy. Mmmm, perhaps there is a corduroy filter on the other datacentres?
I'm insane over these results, awful humour is my only way out..

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I think what's happening with -dc is that all the freshbot crawling has been added (May 15th). Googlebot indexed 150 new pages in my site yesterday and they are all there.

[edited by: promis at 10:03 am (utc) on May 17, 2003]

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rfgdxm1, I play the odds(hence the nick)....I have numerous sites in the cats I attack for the simple reason I don't trust SE's....any of them, not just Google.

Some of these sites are very "spammy", crosslinked, break all the rules. I don't really care if they get banned....I actually care more if they don't.

Right now I see my "bad boys" killing my "nice boys".....and that scares the heck out of me! (I have more clean than dirty sites)

One way or the other traffic will flow....but this is just crazy!

Google needs to understand that domain names at $8.50 a pop are so cheap they aren't going to prevent SEO's from trying every combination possible.

I make $10,000+ per month from one domain that succeeds, that means I can have 1,200 that fail and still break even.....odds are against you Google, rethink your algo and save us all some money!

More importantly save us all some sleep!

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Conclusion of this update:

bad guys laughing, nice guys crying ...

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>I havent got any doorwaypages

... you have.

>Reasons?

Honestly ask yourself.
fyi: guestbooks links can hurt these days.

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heh heh GG. That was mean. Torturing the enem--- I mean, taunting your SEO friends...naughty naughty
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Hey, just noticed I am a "Preferred Member". Hmm, that's great. I'd like to keep this title. I prefer Preferred Member to Senior Member. I'm old enough!
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>fyi: guestbooks links can hurt these days.

Prove it please! Real sites with real searches and real results would be appreciated......via sticky if necessary.

IMHO GB's have no real effect on sites, low PR's(2) can gain, but try getting a PR5 to a PR6 with GB's.....very tricky task! If not impossible ;)

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Now what the heck is this -dc stuff? What is going on at the Googleplex?

It's like they took all their household garbage, and have spread it out on their front lawn for the whole world to see.

I'm beginning to think the April deepcrawl was botched even worse than the March one, and they really have no idea what to do about it.

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percentages, i don't give you examples since the booted webmasters have allready enough pain. Btw: i didn't say, that sites can suffer because of a new anti gb algo. They suffer from hand checks. That's a proven fact - believe it or not. The site i was refering to (no details, i guess that daniel wouldn't really like to discuss his site in public and it's also against the tos) is a good example of a (prob manual) penalty based on more than one factor (this case prob doorwayish pages + guestbook only links).
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Interesting little -dc tidbit. Previously I've been #2 for an english keyword in a non-english language. I have three pages in that language. I have 80 or so links to page1, which links to page2 and page3 and they link to each other. besides the links from page1, the only links page2 and page3 have are from my site map. Besides my own links I have very high quality external links pointing to page1.

But on el bizarro -dc, I have dropped to #58, with page3 being the search result shown, page2 being an indented result, and page1 only being shown when "more results from" is clicked!

That's not just weird, that is flat out bad search engine-ing.

[edited by: steveb at 10:51 am (utc) on May 17, 2003]

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>April deepcrawl was botched even worse than the March one

Several dozen sites are now all over the place in the SERPS on SJ, FI, & DC - with some very good results that I don't deserve, and horrible results on my more mature sites....

Maybe this nightmare is Google's way of expanding its AdWords campaign. If so, I'm in. I just increased all my campaigns, and am going to stop wasting time with this until G gets things back on track.

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steveb,
I agree with you 100%. Although GG did say that things could look worse as the results are moved over to other datacentres and he did say that backlinks wil be factored back in.

I just keep telling myself that to stop me from totally flipping out!

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GoogleGuy, there are still at least two entries above me in the SERPs for my keyphrase, that have <b>nothing but guestbook links</b> to artificially raise PR. It doesn't matter which datacentre I'm looking at, the sites are still there, and they're moving closer to the number one spot, too.

I've sent in 4 separate spam reports for these sites over the last couple of months, but rather than see any penalties, their positions have improved!

I have two questions:

1. Is Google currently paying any attention to spam reports?

2. Is spamdexing a new and fantastic SEO technique these days?

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james, allthough i'm not googleguy i can answer at least one of your questions for sure.

>Is Google currently paying any attention to spam reports?

Yes!

> Is spamdexing a new and fantastic SEO technique these days?

imho, one of the most fantastic seo techniques these days is beeing patient.

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if i look for widget hotels i dont expect to find a weather site..which is what dc serves up now.....why google wants to destroy its relevancy just so seo becomes impossible is beyond me...
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Hmm, i havent doorway pages and the google toolbar is showing any pagerank.

If i got a penalty, i have pagerank 0 and not grey... right?

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-dc results are the worst. But don't worry the dance hasn't started yet.

Things will look the way they should eventually.

Google is not stupid - they are not purposely driving us nuts or producing crap results for www.

As you can see www has reverted completely back to where it was before this whole sj,fi,dc, etc stuff started.

So now I believe we are going to see one of the dataceneters change to april's deepbot data then other centers will start to show similar stuff similar to the way the sj results were passed along and mnagled by each datacenter. This time though the good stuff will be added and be the time it hits www it will be that big gold castle we all know it should be :)

Long live Google! Bow to thy Majesty!

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But they are destroying their relevancy so the most yucky forms of seo are what rise to the top.

Guestbook links, junk link exchanges, and insta-site "fresh" keyword drivel are valued.

Pagerank and linking from authority sites are dramatically degraded.

I hate to break it to you folks at the 'plex, but buying pagerank is nowhere near as lame as signing guestbooks.

Also, I've never been into silly paranoia but ---
"Maybe this nightmare is Google's way of expanding its AdWords campaign." ---
So have I. The alternative of signing guestbooks and joining lame link exchanges just because Google likes them is just too embarrassing to do.

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