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9:45 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Wow!
I can't believe the thread for the dance that never was still grows!

Let's recap:
Normal dance:
Five days into it and it is almost over with index moving across the other 7 main data centers.

So far, 7 days into this PRE-DANCE:
The SJ data has not started to migrate to the other 7 main data centers. FI not included.

I have not seen sj results show up on www in over 3 days now.

www2 and www3 all are pointed to the IP of sj.
I've seen it mentioned that we have been privy to a part of the dance we normally don't see and I would be inclined to agree with that.

I don't think we will see the real dance start for a couple days at least. It's not a real dance anyway until all the data is applied, so I think we are all going to see a big shift from what the SJ server is showing and what will actually be in the index.

I find it funny that GoogleGuy has disappeared. I think they rolled out the new algo to get our opinions. Most searchers don't bother to fill out a satisfaction report. They just go somewhere else. In that respect, Google has a great asset in this community because they sure got a lot of feedback about what was on the SJ server. I think when the dance really starts in earnest, we'll see GoogleGuy show up again.

Anyway, back to work adding content for the next deep crawl
:)

[edited by: mrguy at 10:39 pm (utc) on May 8, 2003]

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What i am trying to piece together is if there are any major or minor differences between your site and your competitors sites. Answer the following if you can :

1. Do you know if your site is a lot older or newer than your competitors sites.

2. Did u ever notice before the update began how the amount of backlinks on your site compared to your competitors.

3. Has your site been updated recently, i.e. in the last 2 months.

4. Do u use any questionable techniques on your site at all.

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reneewood, we have talked before, i know your site, and i also know that G would not simply drop your ranking. just not possible.

for those are in a similar position, me included, for about 5% of the domains that we manage, we must hold tight.

if i am wrong, throw a pie in my face, then together lets throw one in g's face, cause they just messed up. doubt it though.

[edited by: Chicago at 9:52 pm (utc) on May 8, 2003]

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1. My main competitors have been existence for as long as us.

2. They had much more backlinks then I have. But I have worked hard at improving that this month.

3. We update once a week. It's a content based humor site. Look at my username and add a .com to it.

4. Not that I'm aware of. I just entered this search engine game in the last month hoping to improve my listings. I got the reverse. lol

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I agree with Mrguy, thats what I am going to do also I have wasted much valuable time reading posts every 15 minutes for a week almost. What happens if the update happens tonite and the deep crawl starts the next day and I have not added any sites . since I see no real changes in the basics of what it takes to get 1st page listings for my own sites. Unless someone broke the red button, we are in a holding pattern for the last couple days. Look, even Yahoo has not had there backlinks added in yet on -sj or -fi,. What I am seeing for my sites is that the algorythm (on the page criteria and incoming links) has not changed at all. But the # of backlinks have . On -sj I think the amount of backlinks is from the update in the beg. of Feb. I stopped linking to many of my expired domains starting after that update which explains the incremental drop in ranking for those sites on -fi. Basically for my sites I see rising or falling on -sj and -fi directly related to # of backlinks. But the algo. has not changed as far as what it takes to get 1st page rankings. I have 1st page listings on -sj and -fi doing the same things I have been doing since March 2002. So the point is you guys are panicking way to early, wait until the backlinks are added from the last crawl to panick.
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When was the last time anyone saw movement on -sj? I haven't seen any in over 48 hours on the SERPs I watch, and I display those to position #100. It seems unlikely to me that all these would be rock solid if there was any "dancing" going on. It is if this update is in "pause" mode. Either that, or it is done, and Google hasn't propagated it to the other datacenters yet.
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This is fun this time... seeing how things go together, how things get weeded out.

I suspect you will see an actual honest to goodness update in the next week or so, and then the real fun will start.

I have stuff with fresh tags today.

Alex

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I haven't noticed any movement for a while either. This is the wierdest dance I have ever seen. It's been fun to talk about.

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Current Wisdom (mine anyway, so maybe I should call it Current Thinking): Things will get better when Google applies their New Algo to a newer version of the index, hopefully from the last crawl.

Question: Can someone tell those of us who are stupid about this just how long it would take to apply the New Algo to the New Index, once Google is satisfied with the New Algo? Seconds? Hours? Days?

Not my area of expertise, obviously.

Also, could that be happening somewhere right now, that we don't see?

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depends on your definition of "new algo"

PR calculations take weeks, when using over 10,000 computers.
Data transfer between datacenters takes days.
Building of the index? That must take at least a week.

10:33 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm still hanging around. There's not that much new info to convey, but I'm here.
10:35 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ah! Ha!

I knew that would draw you out!:)

Just Checking, I thought you bailed on us!

10:38 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I notice my site has popped up again when searching with it's most relevant keyword on SJ and WW3 but it's lost it's Dmoz description! How bloomin' odd!
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Any comment GoogleGuy why this index seems to be in pause mode? This is an unusual update. Certainly no signs of any more data being added in. And, this algo seems worse than usual. Or, at least an awful lot of people think so.
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Hi GG.

markusf, I guess what I was getting at is, once G is happy with the New Algo that they appear to be testing against the older (known) index, how long before they can apply that new algo to a newer index?

Make sense, or am I asking it the wrong way?

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Everyone keeps calling this the dance. I really think you are all wrong.

I really doubt this is the dance. This is just what usually happens every month right before the dance starts, the only difference is that this time, we get to see it. What we are used to seeing every month hasn't even started yet. This is just pre-dance stuff that usually happens only for Google to see, but this time though, we got to see it.

That's my guess.

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Part 6?

PART 6?

:D

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I get the feeling the real index is being built on WW2 and WW3, and all queries to the data centers are being directed elsewhere.

Common sence would say that this new process can't be to much longer then the old one. So one would expect the update to start on the 10th-15th. Don't be to surprised if the results for competitive terms are nothing like what is now being shown on SJ.

10:51 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Could be Perfection. However, I fear and believe this is the real thing.
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<I get the feeling the real index is being built on WW2 and WW3, and all queries to the data centers are being directed elsewhere.>

Seems like one likely scenerio anyway, since w2 and w3 are currently pointed to -sj.

If G is satisfied with algo now, perhaps that is what is happening, out of our sight ... and it could conceivably explain why the number of changes being seen on -sj is winding down now.

Perhaps we're just waitng for what's going on on w2? Who the heck knows. Anyway, once again it's martooni time. Til tomorrow.

11:12 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Where is my.... beautiful, non-spam, very clean, PR5, used to be #2 on sj.... homepage?

11:18 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Perhaps they have some interesting new spam filters, and this -sj process was an opportunity to test which targeted sites would be removed by the filters, with a bunch of the old offenders in there for target practice.

We've helped them spot what it did (and didn't) catch, and now they tinker more and then start the dance...

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Still lots of flux > pulling from data centers...

I'm actually quite impressed to be able to see it all being pulled together rather than just being near completion. Learned more just watching the "controlled" flux and keeping my mouth shut.

Quite intrigued! ;) Thanks GG! :)

11:37 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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mrguy: you busted me. ;) Not much new for me to say for now..
11:44 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Admit it GoogleGuy. The gang at the Googleplex made this an extra long update just so they could laugh reading here at Webmasterworld, watching webmasters writhe in agony and hopeless despair. ;)
11:46 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Nope, rfgdxm1, definitely not. The threads on Dominic are so long that it's a real endurance test for *anyone* to read through them, including a Googler. :)
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Hey googleguy, if you make my site #1, in the SERPS there is a 20 in it for you, and your pick of the 50 hottest babes ;)
11:51 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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markusf -> NOT EVEN FOR A JOKE! YUK.
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resorting to bribes huh
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well if SJ, stays bribes would be a good idea lol
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